Simple. They can read the thread for context. What purpose does his comment serve other than to say “Ali called himself a nigger, so what’s wrong with me hating him?”
He’s already coming into the thread to attack the dead–which already shows he’s posting to be a jerk. He then gets smarmy with Frank. And he just happens to use “nigger”? You know, a word that’s not even unusual for a black person to use about themselves?
Not a quote that makes sense, like something about how white people are bad. Or perhaps some quote where he brags a lot, so he can call him smarmy. Just plugging in a “nigger” quote that makes no sense.
Now, maybe if that was it, you could think it was coincidence. But then you bring in the rest of the quote and the posting history, and it becomes far more likely he used the word to rile people up.
Bullshit. Nothing is that “simple”. If he hadn’t been told not to use that word, then the mods shouldn’t be basing a warning on mind reading abilities. Give him a mod note not to use that word going forward, then if he does again you don’t need to be The Amazing Kreskin to give him a warning.
Sorry, trolls love gaming specific rules. You defeat that by moderating against intent, based on patterns and history.
The mods are completely right to not give trolls bright lines to limbo under. You cut their feet out from under them for trollish intent and pattern of activity, and if the troll wants to become a responsible citizen and needs significant time and effort to restore trust, so be it.
FOAF refers to a story people allege happened to a “friend of a friend”. In this case, I specifically said - and you quoted - that “the guy told me he heard it himself and he wouldn’t lie about it” (emphasis added).
Possibly you’re confused by the words “heard it” to indicate that he heard the incident from someone else. But that’s not the case. We happen to be discussing an interview that Ali gave, and “heard it” means personally heard that interview.
And since, as it turns out, there is other evidence that Ali expressed the exact sentiments that this person said he heard, and it also turns out that Ali used the term “nigger” when discussing other people’s perceptions of himself and his mouth, the story turns out to have been unremarkable and there’s no reason to grasp at straws in an effort to deny it having happened.
[FWIW, I later recalled another thing this same guy told me he heard from Ali. He was asked whether, if he defeated Larry Holmes, he would then fight Gerry Cooney. He responded “Gerry Cooney? Blast him to the mooney!” My friend was not a big boxing fan so it’s likely these were from the same interview.]
The context was his claim that people disliked Ali because of his loud mouth. The Ali quote (if true) validated that.
[That particular quote may or may not be accurate, but I’ve posted several links in which Ali effectively said the same thing (as L-P’s point in the other thread).]
There is a difference between “bright lines” and “arbitrary application of vague rules based on personal distaste which will be immediately disavowed as soon as called on it.”
Moderating against intent? Yeah, that’s a good idea not at all subject to abuse and knee-jerkery.
In fact, I love the idea that anyone who maintains an unpopular opinion can be castigated and silenced merely by the use of the word “troll.” It has a sort of familiar ring to it.
OK. I highly doubt if that’s true. Like any major athlete, the guy was interviewed probably hundreds, maybe thousands of times. If, for example, in the course of promoting his upcoming Holmes fight he gave some press conference, or appeared on some radio show, I doubt if you’d be able to find record - let alone a transcript - today.
You agree that your anecdote, if true, has limited bearing on the accuracy of L_P’s quote.
I was dubious about the idea of your friend hearing such a curse word on TV or radio. I reverse that dubiousness given evidence upthread.
I’ve seen an interview with Ali indicating that, yes, a lot of what he did was showmanship. I doubt whether any biographer would disagree that he had that sort of self-knowledge. The interview also indicated that Ali was also psyching himself up for the fight.
I’m going to assume that you are taking the piss or got whooshed because you seem to be functional. Benefit of the doubt and all that.
The term hate speech is being watered down and is losing it’s significance because of it. But if you really think that I consider Nerd to be hate speech then brother step over to the kiddies table and talk about play-doh or something.
As to it being hate speech by definition, I suppose that one should ask the countless black folks that use the term to refer both to intimates and to describe people they dislike.
“I love black people but I hate niggers.” <— Chris Rock. Now is that hate speech?
If you were someone the mods had modded for racist tone posts before, then yes… I would mod you for using that quote if you brought it up as a thread shit in a topic. I’d probably mod it as “trolling”, as I’ve done in this situation.
Note the two sections I’ve bolded. Both of those would have to be the case, not just one. Both. If only one was the case, I would not warn…but since both were the case this time, I gave a warning and I would in your example too if the circumstances were the same.
I think it has bearing on the likelihood of that quote being accurate. If someone says “so-and-so said X” and others are skeptical, then finding another example of so-and-so expressing the same basic sentiment as X has a bearing on the likelihood of the first quote being accurate.
[Remember, the context of L_P’s citation of this quote was his attempt to back up his assertion that people disliked Ali because of his mouth and wanted to see him lose and shut up.]