If you don’t see the body and even if you do the person is probably not dead.
I liked the ending ok.
Brian
The finale was very by the numbers. Most of these shows fail to stick the landing. Loved the second look at the Musical number. That was was indeed Mark Shaiman (the composer) they kept cutting to.
Yeah, but I thought it was fine. Overall a fun short series which, unusually for such shows, might have benefited from having 8-10 episodes instead of six. I think the whole Christmas theme/I’ll-be-home-for-the-holidays put an artificial time limit on it that was slightly constraining.
Again, not awesome but…good. It helps that I really liked Florence Pugh and Hailee Steinfeld’s performances.
The ending musical number was so over the top corny bad I kept expecting them to pan to Yelena in the audience saying, “Disgusting…posers”.
Well, since it was pulled from the rubble of a destroyed Avengers compound, it could potentially have access to files that the Avengers would like to keep out of the wrong hands: secret identities, access to satellites and other technology, next of kin, etc.
Plus, if Laura really WAS Mockingbird, it may contain info on her location, including the info on their kids. I can see where some villain with an axe to grind would like the opportunity for payback by kidnapping or murdering their children.
Someone else mentioned that Kingpin is more of a “behind the scenes” kind of criminal. For the most part, that’s true. However, in both the comic and show Daredevil, Fisk has shown that he’s not afraid to get bloody when necessary. And he’s a huge mass of muscle. He may look fat, but he’s squared off against Captain America before.
I loved it. Got the ending i wanted.
Yeah the whole Swordsman thing was just kinda weird. “I feel like I missed something”…yeah, me too Jack. I mean I know comics stuff…but it was still framed like I’m supposed to have some MCU backstory on him I really don’t have.
You guys have covered my nitpicks, including just the oddity of The Big Bad not even really being the big bad until events pulled him in this episode. And he didn’t exactly lose to Kate. He won several times, but just didn’t finish her…I loved the fight. It’s pretty much how any hero below Spidey-strength should fare against him.
And yeah, billions of hours now of MCU projects and they still can’t find the right balance of humor.
But, “You’re my partner!!..” AWWWWWWWWWW…ill never forget that.
Edit: Jack should have been a Skrull…that would have made sense
Secret Invasion is going to reveal all sorts of surprises like this I think. So don’t rule it out
Not going to rehash what everyone else has said, but my general view: it was good, from a “comic-book story” standpoint, which requires a lot of suspension of disbelief.
Including ignoring the “police sirens only appearing after all the action and the after-action cathartic conversation is over” shit - I mean, a violent mass brawl in Rockefeller Center which brings down the giant tree - immediately after an anonymous shooter opens up on a party right there - and it takes that long for even one police officer to turn up? Maybe all the competent police were off LARPing at the time…
I think psyching himself up with, “Okay Jack… This is your moment.”* may have been my favorite little moment in the whole series.
*probably not the exact quote
I would watch a show of nothing but Yelena and Kate Bishop hanging out and doing pretty much anything.
This is a fanwank, but Kingpin’s whole thing is that he “owns” New York. It makes sense that he has enough pull to significantly delay the response of emergency services to the assault he’s planning, but not enough to totally squash it. I actually thought there was a real missed opportunity for the series to show his real power - instead of finding the toy store deserted, the cops could have found Kingpin getting up and dusting himself off, and he just gives them a look, and they just carry on as if they had never even seen him.
Speaking of missed opportunities, after Hawkeye teaches Kate about improvised weapons and there’s a whole bit earlier in the episode about “look around, what are your assets here”, there’s a fight in a toy store, where Kate is out of weapons. How do we not see Kate using toys as improvised weapons against Kingpin?
He’s squared off against Spider-Man before [Cap in the comics only has peak-human-potential strength; Spider-Man can lift a city bus].
I think it would be funnier to pan to Yelena unexpectedly enjoying the musical number in the audience. They seem to play Yelena as having this excessive, almost childlike enthusiasm for a lot of random, corny stuff.
I recently read that Charlie Cox is now the official MCU Daredevil. They just haven’t decided in what capacity he will show up in the MCU.
It was a little jarring to see Kingpin here after Daredevil, just because of the different tone between the series. DD Kingpin was much more brutal, but punching an adult man is obviously different than Kate. Bertie and Bert did a good job too. Not sure if Echo got enough time to justify her own show, but maybe we’ll see her in something else first. Was there a romance implied between her and Kazi?
Well…he is a very good lawyer…
There was something implied between her and Kazi. I actually thought they were about to reveal that he was actually her brother, and as a boy was just much more acculturated into Track Suit Mafia, but that probably doesn’t really fit what we saw in flashbacks, anyway. I don’t think the show ever quite made it clear just what their relationship was. But Maya was apparently ready to really abandon her revenge quest and build a real life somewhere if Kazi would leave with her, so there was something there.
As a fanwank, maybe they were in love, but didn’t feel like they could express that in the corrosive culture of Kingpin’s organization, and growing up in that culture left them both a bit emotionally stunted. Maya going to Kazi and asking him to leave the org with her was her way of saying, “I’m in love with you, and I think you’re in love with me, and we can finally be together if we just leave all this behind us.” Kazi’s reply was his way of saying, “I am in love with you, and if things were different, there’s nothing I’d want more, but things are the way they are, and this is the life I’m in, and as much as I love you, if you try to leave the org, I’m going to have to stop you, no matter what.” Cue tragic fight to the death between unconsummated lovers, who finally share an intimate moment in death.
I could see Eleanor come back as a villain. “I want to save you from yourself and show you what the “real world” is about/make you come back to me” is a decent motivation for a bad guy. Her frame-up of Jack happened awfully quickly, making me think she had it positioned as a just in case if things got too hot.
I thought burning that Ronin suit was going to make a lot of funky black smoke. Imagine all the synthetic fibers in that.
In the comics Echo inherits the the Ronin suit, so I was slightly surprised to see it burned, but there it doesn’t have the same bad reputation.
I think the door’s been left open for one, at least.
I thought he was her uncle.