Not to mention ol’ Hank seems a little twitchy himself.
I havent heard any of those fun YT channels that cover this stuff mention this, so I will (You guys are smart though, you probably caught it.)
If you recall, the Widows can tell when people are lying and get a lot from innocuous questions. Hence that great ep 5 scene between Kate and Yelena.
Yelena: “Where is Clint Barton?”
Kate: “I don’t know”…(And Hailee not only sells that she really doesn’t, she shows how hurt she is.)
Yelena: “Ok. Stay out of my way.”
But thats not what I came to mention. Yelena KNOWS Clint’s telling the truth in ep.6. That’s the tragedy when she screams “You’re lying!!”
I was reading an article the other day that pointed out how Clint seemed to be trying not to kill as many people as possible by using less-than-lethal trick arrows that released gas or magnetized weapons and whatnot while Kate tended to go for more of the “dangerous” arrows that blew up cars (presumably killing everyone inside). But nothing too gruesome like arrows through the eye or anything.
Also, I’m not clear about ant man physics. Are the shrunken track suit bros in actual danger from the owl or can they “punch through it like a bullet”?
It’s not very consistent at all. I THINK that as long as they stay in the van they would be safe.
You basically need some sort of vessel. The sheep they were testing on kept melting until they put them in a glass cage and shrunk that. And in Ant-Man 2 they shrink themselves inside a car multiple times.
Except that the van landed with the impact of a small toy, and then the owl picked up the van and flew away with it, so it apparently only has proportional mass. So it seems like the owl should be able to crack it open and feast on the gooey bits inside.
Or not. As you say, the MCU has been very inconsistent on how that all works.
Kate actually asks Clint what about the guys inside the van after it’s shrunk, and Clint just kind of shrugs and says I dunno, and then the owl swoops in and flies away with it. They might have already been killed by compression, or they might be ok until the owl eats them, or they might escape the owl and be stuck at miniature size, or the Pym particles might wear off, which may or may not happen at a convenient time…
We’re clearly not supposed to worry about the implications, it’s just a throwaway gag. But still, I worry.
I thought it was a bit tasteless tbh. The tracksuit mafia were goofy comic relief bad guys, their wholesale slaughter just didn’t hit right.
Yeah, I agree. I brought that up upthread, when Kate just blew up a van of TSM guys and they were apparently burned to death, and the show just played it off as a joke. I enjoyed the show overall, but its treatment of the TSM was just all over the place tonally. In the finale, we got one random TSM guy thanking Kate for the advice she gave him on his girlfriend, but then in that scene, she’s also taking down TSM goons with regular arrows (maybe she’s “shooting to wound”, but…).
It’s like we’re supposed to care about the TSM goons that get names and personalities, like Maya’s dad, but then laugh when the ones without specific names and personalities are shot and burned and potentially eaten alive.
This is possibly the weirdest thing to be pedantic about EVER, but never should it be said that I shirked from totally unnecessary pedantry.
Anyway, as to your comment - probably not 
. They might die from getting dropped and bounced, but it is most unlikely a Northern Saw-whet Owl is getting through a miniaturized steel bus. They’re pretty small as owls go and while little Track-suit Mafia guys are probably in the right prey-size range, little cat-sized buses aren’t and that species is not known for digging for their dinner. Probably dropped them immediately off screen and they got bounced some and ended up with some bruises and broken bones - they’re just fine 
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And hey - to be fair they were trying to kill our heroes, despite the good advice about relationships.
The owl was a little gruesome as soon as you thought it through for two seconds as to what happened next but the van blowing up etc. is fine by me. It’s Comic Book Violence which always looks worse in live action. Just imagine they all parachuted out like the old GI Joe Cartoon.
I’d rather take my chances with the owl than the pointy end of Jack’s sword. That was a House of Blue Leaves level of carnage just without the spurting blood.
The Tracksuit Mafia was goofy, but they were straight up coming to kill multiple people, so you can’t feel too bad for them.
Yeah, it might be “A-Team violence” where everyone who wasn’t specifically killed to drive the plot forward woke up in the hospital with arrow wounds to their extremities and mild concussions and 2nd degree burns from explosions.
This is the article I was referring to that speaks to Kate Bishop’s violence:
Kinda ignores the fact that Captain America was a WWII soldier. One thing I like about MCU is that they don’t spend too much time on “killing is wrong” like the DC movies/shows do. They aren’t going to go around murder people (excluding Hawkeye’s turn as Ronin), but in a battle against bad guys, there’s going to be deaths.
Yeah, I was going to mention that about Cap. And Thor certainly spent a lot of time in battle, even if it wasn’t on Earth. I’m sure a lot of those faceless alien mooks had families. Even Ultron basically calls them all “murderers”.
That’s one of the things I like about the MCU as well. The MCU world seems more grounded in a sort of reality where there are real consequences and collateral damage for their actions. And there is real tension in working out the greater good that isn’t neatly resolved by characters both having moms named “Martha”. So much so, that many of the villains and world/universe threatening events have been caused by the Avengers themselves.
Was cap a soldier? he was too small to enlist originally and after the serum they kept him doing USO shows until he started doing Captain America shit on his own. And as far as I know that didn’t involve any killing.
Once he formed the Howling Commandos he was basically a soldier:
He was a soldier as soon as he was approved to basic training - that he went into the ‘secret experiment program’ has nothing to do with him being in the Army and therefore a soldier.
Even the normal corps has people devoted to PR and other items as a duty.
Ok true, but the question was about killing people and I don’t think he was out there doing any of that. I had forgotten he did use a gun back then though.
Cap got sidelined by a politician into war bond fundraisers and USO tours. But then he took off with Howard Stark on a renegade mission against HYDRA. He rescued Allied soldiers that became the Howling Commandos, and from then on he’s engaged in active combat against Nazis. We don’t see a whole lot of it directly on-screen, but there’s a montage sequence of Cap and the Howling Commandos fighting battles against HYDRA across Europe. And these battles were part of World War II, not law enforcement actions. Captain America definitely killed a lot of Nazis. Even if somehow he wasn’t personally killing them - he was shooting to wound? - he was part of a combat unit in the middle of the largest war in history, and his unit was directly killing people left and right.