He Hate Me FF keeper league

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Congratulations to The Mad Hermiit for winning the championship this year. Also congrats to VarlosZ for securing Ladainian Tomlinson by winning the consolation bowl.

Final Standings

  1. Crabby Hermits
  2. Fightin’ Quakers
  3. Moridwon (Hamlet)
  4. Mini Ditkas
  5. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz
  6. Del Pilar of Salt
  7. Baltimore Weirdos
  8. Rhinosaurs(neuroman)
  9. Mundis Morning Glory
  10. Fourth and Nineteen
  11. Culpable Deniability
  12. Karma’s Bitch
  13. Asparagus Pee
  14. New York Fanboys

It’ll take me a couple days to finish the keeper info for next year. In the meantime, here are the potential rule changes to consider:

Turnover points:
Interceptions thrown: -3
Fumbles lost: -3 (-1 for fumbling, -2 for losing it)
Interceptions caught: +2
Fumbles recovered: +1

Vote for any changes. Note: The only votes that will be recognized are ones that include concrete numbers. So instead of saying that all fumbles should count the same regardless of who recovers them, offer something like -3/0 or +2 or whatever for the fumble scoring.

Waiver priority:
Do you want to reseed the waiver priority each week based on the standings?

That’s all the isues we have so far, which speaks well of our rules. My votes:

Bump fumble recoveries up from +1 to +2.
Re-seed waivers based on the standings each week.

Any other rule suggestions are welcome.

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My votes:

Bump fumble recoveries up from +1 to +2.
Do not Re-seed waivers based on the standings each week.

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I see that I forgot the issue of boosting defensive points allowed. The current settings are 10,7,4,1,0,-1,-4. furt suggested 20,15,10,5,0,-5,-10; which may be a bit extreme. His general idea was to make defenses more valuable, along the lines of the skill positions.

To that end, if we want to boost defense, I’d vote to do something like: (Current setting in parentheses.)
Sack: 1.5 (1)
Interception: 3 (2)
Fumble Recovery: 3 (1)
Touchdown: 6 (6)
Safety: 2 (2)
Blocked kick: 3 (2)
Kickoff/punt return touchdown: 6 (6)
Points Allowed 0 points: 15 (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points 11 (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points 6 (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points 2 (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0 (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points -3 (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points -7 (-4)

In a nutshell, boost defense by half again. Note that this means I’m casting two different votes for fumble recoveries. If we want to boost defense it’s one thing, but if not at least I’d like to normalize turnovers. Make sense?

When voting whether or not to boost the defense, concrete numbers aren’t necessary. A simple yay or nay, and a vague “those numbers are close”, “boost even more” or “not quite so much” are fine. If you have specific numbers in mind, I’m all ears.

Also, Munch expressed some interest in recalculating waiver priority each week.

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My thoughts…

  1. I’m number 3!!! Woo Hoo!!!

  2. Curse you Peyton Manning and your 4 touchdown game against the Bengals. You cost me the championship.!!!

  3. Thanks for all the hard work, Ellis! Outstanding job.

  4. This is the only league of 4 I’m in where LT’s owner did not win it all. He’s simply amazing.

  5. Do not redo waiver priority based on standings.

  6. Adjust the defense a bit to add value to them. Definitely +3 for fumble recoveries and int's. I also like:

Sack: (1) – Keep sacks the same.
Interception: (2) – Add one to make it +3.
Fumble Recovery: (1) – Add two to make it +3.
Touchdown: (6) – Same
Safety: (2) – Add 3 points to make it 5. They’re very rare, kinda cool, and they do result in a change of possession like a turnover, so add the 3 points for a turnover to make it 5 total.
Blocked kick: (2) – Same
Kickoff/punt return touchdown: (6) – Same
Points Allowed 0 points: 15 (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points 11 (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points 6 (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points 2 (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0 (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points -3 (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points -7 (-4)

I like the point adjustments Ellis made, especially negative for poor defense.

These changes will definitely improve the D’s points and make it a position akin to the skill positions.

  1. I like bacon.
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Mundi, send me your address and you will have your beer. I make no promises of adequate groveling though.

And I think this is the second straight year I finished last in the championship bracket. I’m like the Marty Schottenheimer of the SDMB fantasy league.

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Email sent.

And so long as you make an hones attempt at a public grovel, the judges will no doubt be lenient. BTW - Steven Jackson pretty much single-handedly won me the championship game in this league. He turned out to be a steal for me at pick 10.

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  1. All turnovers to have the same value and to have the same magnitude for the offense and defense. Anything else would represent an imbalance in assigned value between the two parties, and we all know a rational economic agent would never make such an exchange :smiley: (economic humor? God, I need to get more sleep):
    [ul][li]Interception thrown (-3)[/li][li]Interception made (3)[/li][li]Fumble (-1)[/li][li]Fumble lost (-2)[/li][li]Fumble forced (1)[/li][li]Fumble recovered by defense[sup]*/sup[/ul][/li]

  2. Upon furhter review, my decision to favor weekly priority based upon standings has been overturned. The attmpt to foster competetiveness did not have full control of the proposal before landing out of bounds. A poor team should not be able to contiually thrash the waiver wire to grab that weeks’ “hot prospect” until he lands a winner. Judicious use of waiver priority is one of the only strategic elements available to an owner once the season starts. It would be a shame to lose it.

  3. Defensive points: turnovers should be increased invalue as noted above, but the bottom line for defense is not giving up points, and giving up 26 points should not be “neutral”. Anything over 21 is a bad defensive day. Period.
    [ul][li]Sack: (1) It is not a game changing play, just a good one.[/li][li]Interception: (3)[/li][li]Fumble forced (1)[/li][li]Fumble recovered by defense[sup]*[/sup] (2)[/li][li]Return Touchdown: (6) Punt/kick/fumble/Int – who cares. It’s a score [/li][li]Safety: (2) just like in the real game. And it isn’t points plus a turnover, it’s points plus a punt.[/li][li]Blocked kick: (3)[/li][li]Points Allowed 0 points: 15[/li][li]Points Allowed 1-6 points 10[/li][li]Points Allowed 7-13 points 5[/li][li]Points Allowed 14-20 points 0[/li][li]Points Allowed 21-27 points -3[/li][li]Points Allowed 28-34 points -6[/li][li]Points Allowed 35+ points -9[/ul][/li]

  4. Chinese

[sup]*[/sup][sub]Unfortunately, symmetry must yield on this point. An offensive player recovering a fumble is not worth positive points; it merely avoids the (-2) for a fumble lost. This also avoids the travesty of having a player drop the ball, recover is, and get positive points for his fumble.[/sub]

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[QUOTE=Spiritus Mundi]
A poor team should not be able to contiually thrash the waiver wire to grab that weeks’ “hot prospect” until he lands a winner. Judicious use of waiver priority is one of the only strategic elements available to an owner once the season starts. It would be a shame to lose it.

[ul][li]Fumble forced (1)[/li][li]Fumble recovered by defense[sup]*[/sup] (2)[/li]
[li]Safety: (2) just like in the real game. And it isn’t points plus a turnover, it’s points plus a punt.[/li][li]Blocked kick: (3)[/li][li]Points Allowed 0 points: 15[/li][li]Points Allowed 1-6 points 10[/li][li]Points Allowed 7-13 points 5[/li][li]Points Allowed 14-20 points 0[/li][li]Points Allowed 21-27 points -3[/li][li]Points Allowed 28-34 points -6[/li][li]Points Allowed 35+ points -9[/ul][/li][/quote]
That’s a pretty decent case for not recalculating the waiver priority each week.

Yahoo doesn’t distinguish defensive fumbles unless you play with IDP. Team defenses get no credit for forced fumbles; only fumbles recovered.

I could go either way on safeties. You’re right in that it isn’t technically a turnover, but safeties are the only points in the entire game where the team who just scored gets the ball back. That makes it akin to a pseudo-turnover. Also of note is that due to the punt-style kick from the standard kickoff line, you’re almost guaranteed to get the ball back at midfield.

Regarding the points allowed, you’re right. Conventional wisdom has it that a defense “wins” by holding the opponent to 17 or less. 21-27 is a pretty clear failure, so I’m hip to sliding the scale back as you suggest. Maybe not those exact numbers, but the idea is sound.

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My half-assed season review:
Crabby Hermits: 10-4, 1259.80
Best Pick: Peyton Manning I guess. Kind of wierd looking at this team, as it doesn’t really look like a championship winner, but it is. Manning was one of the top two fantasy QB’s, which I suppose
makes him worthy of the #10 pick. Jamal Lewis was a pick I hated on draft day, but he turned out OK. Looking at fantasy WR rankings, Housh was actually better than I thought, so he was a
pretty good 4th rounder, though I think you could have gotten him later.
Worst Pick: Maybe what helped you be the champ is that you don’t really have any. Gado didn’t do anything, but as an 8th rounder, it’s not exactly a killer.
Keeper potential: Fast Willie is fantastic as a 7th. That’s all I really see worth a keeper, but that’s a huge one.
This year: B+, Keeper: A

Fightin Quakers: 10-4, 1258.90
Best Pick: Javon Walker in the 4th, ended up being the 5th best fantasy wideout. Vince Young, besides being a great keeper, was helpful this season.
Worst Pick: Ronnie Brown’s injury and absolute mis-use by Lord Saban shouldn’t be used against his fantasy owners. This goes to back to back selections of Kurt Warner and Jake Plummer in
the 5th and 6th. Yuck. Good thing you took Vinnie.
Keeper potential: Gore in the 6th is maybe even better than Parker in the 8th and has you as one of the favorites for next season. Young in the 9th is good.
This year: B+, Keeper: A
Mini Ditkas: 10-4, 1213.22
Best pick: McNabb was on a tear before his injury.
Worst pick: Both Jones’ going one and two is pretty bad (Thomas wasn’t exactly bad so much as unspectacular). Chambers in the 3rd was even worse.
Keeper Potential: Nah.
This year: D+, Keeper: Diddly poo says Jim Mora.
Moridwon (Hamlet): 9-5, 1303.49
Best Pick: Mojo in the 8th. Great, great, great pick. With Taylor probably heading out of Jax next season, this could be just a notch below Fast Willie and Gore. Steven Jackson was better than
I expected.
Worst Pick: Edge was an easy choice for most of the season, but he improved. He still gets the nod as you didn’t really have an ugly picks.
Keeper Outlook: Mojo falls somewhere between very good and fantastic. Terry Glenn had a very good year and could be the #1 in Dallas next season. Turner could be a starter somewhere
and he has tons of promise.
This Year: A, Keeper: A
Rhinosaurs (neuroman): 8-6, 1371.89
Best Pick: LT. Mos def.
Worst Pick: Culpepper kills another fantasy team.
Keeper: Not really. Calhoun if KJ missed significant time, maybe Leon Washington, but I suspect that the Jets will go RB in the draft.
This Year: B, Keeper: D

Del Pilar of Salt, 7-7, 1268.78
Best Pick: Brees is the best fantasty QB, as a 7th rounder that’s a great pickup. Probably best pick in the draft.
Worst Pick: Caddilac was awful this year. Bush started off poorly, but has been great in the second half. Mike Bell did little. You finishing at .500 with those being your first three picks shows how
good Brees was.
Keeper: Brees as a 5th. Boldin as a meh #2. Cutler may not be worth a 9th to sit on your bench, but he has a bit of trade value.
This year: C, Keeper: B+

Baltimore Weirdos, 7-7 1207.71
Best Pick: You didn’t have a single good draft pick.
Worst pick: Steve Smith, Deshaun Foster, Randy Moss and Chris Brown to start off the draft. You have to go to Bulger in the 5th to see something that doesn’t make you shake your head.
Keeper: LJ and Gates are great keepers in the 5th and 6th, though Gates wasn’t great this season.
This year: D, Keeper: A

Varlos’ Zzzzzz, 7-7 1099.26
Best Pick: Brian Westbrook. Nice value at the end of the first. D Jax in the 4th deserves some mention.
Worst Pick: Hasselbeck in the second. You had to convince yourself that it was a smart pick, and you ended up being way off. You could have probably gotten him in the 4th or 5th.
Keeper: You’re losing Magahee, which is the only player on your team that would have been worth keeping.
This year: C, Keeper: Bupkis.
Mundis Morning Glory, 6-8 1152.53
Best pick: Fred Taylor in the third.
Worst Pick: Droughns at the end of the first. Though it’s a tough position to be drafting from.
Keeper: Leinhart should be OK.
This year: C-, Keeper: Zzzzzzzz.

Fourth and Nineteen, 6-8 1115.90
Best Pick: I didnt’ like Dillon in the first at all, but he turned out well. Kevin Jones was great before getting injured. I liked the Deuce pick a TON. Andre Johnson was good in the 4th. That’s a 4 way
tie to start the draft.
Worst Pick: Delhomme was a dissapointment, and Lendale was a bad idea. The guy never really looked poised to challenge for the starting job.
Keeper: Rivers.
This year: B+ (KJ injury hurt a lot)m Keeper: D+
Culpable Deniability, 6-8 1111.82
Best pick: Much like Fourth 's team, this is just a well drafted squad at the top that was affected by an injury. You twice pissed off those drafting right behind you with Addai and Maroney. Portis
wasn’t spectacular when healthy, but he was putting up pretty good numbers.
Worst pick: The one you didn’t make, risking your QB situation on Big Ben and making Brad Johnson your backup.
Keeper: Your young RB studs were in the first 4 rounds. Addai is ineligable and Maroney is iffy as a second with Dillon still there. I guess it depends on where you draft, though I’m sure you’ll
have a chance to trade down in the round.
This year: B+ Keeper: C-

Karma’s Bitch, 5-9 1412.84
Best Pick: I had plenty of good ones, but I’ll give the edge to Brandon Jacobs for his keeper potential. The top of the draft worked out perfectly with Rudi, TO, Evans in the 4th (which I took heat for
but he ended up being the 12th best WR), then even more heat for Vick (3rd best QB).
Worst Pick: Mike Alstott in the last round. I was having trouble deciding between him and Colston, but ended up drafting Mike. I ended up dropping him for Colston before the first game, and lost
a fantastic keeper (despite Colston almost definitely being a WR exclusive next season).
Keeper: Great for me despite Colston. Jacobs (4th) and Chester Taylor (5th) are no brainers. Chicago is nice as a 10th, especially with the possibilty of increasing defensive importance. Vick (7th)
is tempting as well. Despite those two, I’m leaning towards making Cedric Benson (3rd) my third keeper.
This year: A+ (damn thine karma!!!), Keeper: A+

Asparagus Pee, 5-9 1057.94
Best pick: Travis Henry had a great, under the radar year.
Worst: Can’t hold Alexander against you, he’s been a pretty good fantasy RB when healthy and had no injury history that I can recall. I didn’t like Lamont Jordan at all, but with the lack of RB’s
around, you had to keep him in the 3rd.
Keeper: Henry (8th) is good, though they may try to force Lendale into a prominent role. DeAngelo Williams (3rd) is a no brainer.
This year: B-, Keeper: B-
New York Fanboys, 2-12 1047.70
Best Pick: Tiki had a great year, though his TD’s were sniped by my boy.
Worst pick: The New York Jets.
Keeper: IM IN UR LEEG, STEELIN UR RB KEEPERZ
This year: F, Keepers: Nah.

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– A thrown interception is -3, so all fumbles, regardless of which team recovers, should be -1.5, as fumble recovery, on balance, is about 50/50 between offense and defense, and it’ s been shown not to be a repeatable skill held in varying degrees by different teams. Failing that, I’d be in favor of tweaking the penalty so that it’s -2 for a fumble and an additional -1 for a lost fumble.

– I like Ellis’ specific proposal to increase the rewards/penalties for points allowed.

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Also, let me just say that I’d like to get in on the ground floor of CREEED – The Committee to Re-elect Ellis Dee. Simply an awesome job this year by the commish.

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He Hate Me Keeper League Year 4 Roundup

Schedule
Offseason Trade Deadline: Tuesday 8/21/07
Keeper Declaration: Tuesday 8/28/07
Live Draft: Monday 9/3/07 (Labor Day) at 10:30pm ET

Keeper Rules

  1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players.
  2. You can only keep players drafted after the third round. (Fourth rounders or later only.)
  3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.)
  4. A kept player incures a two round penalty. (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.)

Hall of Fame
Year 1 winner: mouthbreather
Year 2 winner: Spiritus Mundi
Year 3 winner: Spiritus Mundi
Year 4 winner: The Mad Hermit

Final Standings: Year 4

  1. Crabby Hermits
  2. Fightin’ Quakers
  3. Moridwon (Hamlet)
  4. Mini Ditkas
  5. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz
  6. Del Pilar of Salt
  7. Baltimore Weirdos
  8. Rhinosaurs(neuroman)
  9. Mundis Morning Glory
  10. Fourth and Nineteen
  11. Culpable Deniability
  12. Karma’s Bitch
  13. Asparagus Pee
  14. New York Fanboys

Draft Order, Year 5

  1. VarlosZ
  2. Jimmy Chitwood
  3. Weirddave
  4. neuroman
  5. Ellis Dee
  6. Munch
  7. BabaBooey
  8. Nurse Carmen
  9. Wilson
  10. Spiritus Mundi
  11. Omniscient
  12. Hamlet
  13. furt
  14. The Mad Hermit

Final Rosters
The final rosters include all relevant keeper info. The draft round listed is the round the player was drafted last year; if you want to keep them next year, subtract two rounds. Ineligible keepers are struck out, along with the reason they were disqualified. Exceptional prospects are bolded.

  1. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz (VarlosZ)
    [del]QB…Matt Hasselbeck (QB-Sea)[/del] 1st rounder
    WR…Javon Walker (WR-Den) 4th round pick
    WR…Deion Branch (WR-Sea) 8th round pick
    [del]RB…Brian Westbrook (RB-Phi)[/del] 1st rounder
    [del]RB…Willis McGahee (RB-Buf)[/del] expired
    TE…Jason Witten (TE-Dal) 5th round pick
    [del]W/R…Bobby Wade (WR-Ten)[/del] free agent
    BN…Jason Campbell (QB-Was) 12th round pick
    BN…Michael Pittman (RB-TB) 13th round pick
    BN…Troy Williamson (WR-Min) 10th round pick
    [del]BN…Eddie Kennison (WR-KC)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Brett Favre (QB-GB)[/del] free agent
    [del]K…Neil Rackers (K-Ari)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Kansas City (DEF-KC)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…St. Louis (DEF-StL)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Cleveland (DEF-Cle)[/del] free agent

  2. Del Pilar of Salt (Jimmy Chitwood)
    QB…Drew Brees (QB-NO) 7th round pick
    [del]WR…Anquan Boldin (WR-Ari)[/del] expired
    WR…Donte’ Stallworth (WR-Phi) 6th round pick
    RB…Marion Barber III (RB-Dal) 5th round pick
    [del]RB…Reggie Bush (RB-NO)[/del] 2nd rounder
    TE…L.J. Smith (TE-Phi) 9th round pick
    [del]W/R…Mike Bell (RB-Den)[/del] 3rd rounder
    BN…Antonio Bryant (WR-SF) 10th round pick - kept last year
    [del]BN…Carnell Williams (RB-TB)[/del] 1st rounder
    [del]BN…Mike Furrey (WR-Det)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Owen Daniels (TE-Hou)[/del] free agent
    BN…Jay Cutler (QB-Den) 11th round pick
    BN…Aaron Rodgers (QB-GB) 16th round pick
    [del]BN…Justin Fargas (RB-Oak)[/del] free agent
    [del]K…Joe Nedney (K-SF)[/del] free agent
    DEF…Baltimore (DEF-Bal) 12th round pick

  3. Baltimore Weirdos (Weirddave)
    QB…Marc Bulger (QB-StL) 5th round pick
    WR…Mark Clayton (WR-Bal) 6th round pick
    [del]WR…Steve Smith (WR-Car)[/del] 1st rounder
    [del]RB…Larry Johnson (RB-KC)[/del] expired
    [del]RB…DeShaun Foster (RB-Car)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]TE…Antonio Gates (TE-SD)[/del] expired
    W/R…Mewelde Moore (RB-Min) 13th round pick
    BN…Musa Smith (RB-Bal) 9th round pick
    [del]BN…Demetrius Williams (WR-Bal)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Randy Moss (WR-Oak)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]BN…Drew Carter (WR-Car)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Rex Grossman (QB-Chi)[/del] free agent
    BN…Ben Troupe (TE-Ten) 15th round pick
    K…Shayne Graham (K-Cin) 10th round pick
    DEF…Seattle (DEF-Sea) 11th round pick
    [del]BN…New England (DEF-NE)[/del] free agent

  4. Rhinosaurs (neuroman)
    QB…Steve McNair (QB-Bal) 9th round pick
    [del]WR…Reggie Wayne (WR-Ind)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]WR…Chris Henry (WR-Cin)[/del] free agent
    [del]RB…LaDainian Tomlinson (RB-SD)[/del] 1st rounder
    [del]RB…Ladell Betts (RB-Was)[/del] free agent
    TE…Todd Heap (TE-Bal) 5th round pick
    W/R…Tatum Bell (RB-Den) 4th round pick
    [del]BN…David Garrard (QB-Jac)[/del] free agent
    BN…Santonio Holmes (WR-Pit) 11th round pick
    [del]K…John Carney (K-NO)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Buffalo (DEF-Buf)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Cincinnati (DEF-Cin)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Carolina (DEF-Car)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Philadelphia (DEF-Phi)[/del] free agent

  5. New York Fanboys (Ellis Dee)
    QB…Eli Manning (QB-NYG) 7th round pick - kept last year
    WR…Plaxico Burress (WR-NYG) 4th round pick - kept last year
    WR…Laveranues Coles (WR-NYJ) 6th round pick
    [del]RB…Tiki Barber[/del] (RB-NYG) 1st rounder
    [del]RB…Cedric Houston (RB-NYJ)[/del] free agent
    [del]TE…Jeremy Shockey (TE-NYG)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]W/R…Jerricho Cotchery (WR-NYJ)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Kevan Barlow (RB-NYJ)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]BN…Chad Morton (RB-NYG)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Tim Carter (WR-NYG)[/del] free agent
    BN…Chad Pennington (QB-NYJ) 9th round pick
    [del]BN…David Tyree (WR-NYG)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Michael Jennings (WR-NYG)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Sinorice Moss (WR-NYG)[/del] free agent
    K…Jay Feely (K-NYG) 7th round pick
    DEF…New York (DEF-NYG) 6th round pick

  6. Asparagus Pee (Munch)
    [del]QB…Carson Palmer (QB-Cin)[/del] expired
    WR…Joey Galloway (WR-TB) 5th round pick
    [del]WR…Torry Holt (WR-StL)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]RB…Shaun Alexander (RB-Sea)[/del] 1st rounder
    RB…Jerious Norwood (RB-Atl) 7th round pick
    TE…Benjamin Watson (TE-NE) 6th round pick
    W/R…DeAngelo Williams (RB-Car) 5th round pick
    [del]BN…Anthony Thomas (RB-Buf)[/del] free agent
    BN…Michael Jenkins (WR-Atl) 13th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Maurice Morris (RB-Sea) 15th round pick
    BN…Greg Jennings (WR-GB) 9th round pick
    [del]BN…Alex Smith (TE-TB)[/del] free agent
    BN…Alex Smith (QB-SF) 16th round pick
    [del]BN…Arlen Harris (RB-Det)[/del] free agent
    [del]K…Lawrence Tynes (K-KC)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Minnesota (DEF-Min)[/del] free agent

  7. Karma’s Bitch (BabaBooey)
    QB…Michael Vick (QB-Atl) 9th round pick
    [del]WR…Terrell Owens (WR-Dal)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]WR…Devery Henderson (WR-NO)[/del] free agent
    [del]RB…Rudi Johnson (RB-Cin)[/del] 1st rounder
    RB…Cedric Benson (RB-Chi) 5th round pick
    [del]TE…Marques Colston (WR,TE-NO)[/del] free agent
    W/R…Brandon Jacobs (RB-NYG) 6th round pick
    [del]BN…Chester Taylor (RB-Min)[/del] expired
    BN…Lee Evans (WR-Buf) 4th round pick
    BN…Chad Jackson (WR-NE) 10th round pick
    [del]BN…Damon Huard (QB-KC)[/del] free agent
    BN…Domanick Davis (RB-Hou) 11th round pick
    BN…David Carr (QB-Hou) 13th round pick
    K…Jeff Reed (K-Pit) 15th round pick
    DEF…Chicago (DEF-Chi) 12th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Denver (DEF-Den) 15th round pick

  8. Culpable Deniability (Nurse Carmen)
    [del]QB…Ben Roethlisberger (QB-Pit)[/del] expired
    [del]WR…Marvin Harrison (WR-Ind)[/del] 2nd rounder
    WR…Muhsin Muhammad (WR-Chi) 5th round pick
    RB…Laurence Maroney (RB-NE) 4th round pick
    [del]RB…Joseph Addai (RB-Ind)[/del] 3rd rounder
    TE…Chris Cooley (TE-Was) 8th round pick - kept last year
    W/R…Travis Taylor (WR-Min) 12th round pick - kept last year
    [del]BN…Joey Harrington (QB-Mia)[/del] free agent
    BN…Heath Miller (TE-Pit) 6th round pick
    BN…Ashley Lelie (WR-Atl) 15th round pick
    [del]BN…Bernard Berrian (WR-Chi)[/del] free agent
    BN…Ron Dayne (RB-Hou) 14th round pick
    BN…Tarvaris Jackson (QB-Min) 16th round pick
    [del]BN…Ciatrick Fason (RB-Min)[/del] free agent
    [del]K…Josh Scobee (K-Jac)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Oakland (DEF-Oak)[/del] free agent

  9. Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson)
    QB…Vince Young (QB-Ten) 11th round pick
    WR…Andre Johnson (WR-Hou) 4th round pick
    WR…Keyshawn Johnson (WR-Car) 12th round pick
    [del]RB…Travis Henry (RB-Ten)[/del] free agent
    [del]RB…Kevin Jones (RB-Det)[/del] 2nd rounder
    TE…Jerramy Stevens (TE-Sea) 11th round pick
    [del]W/R…Deuce McAllister (RB-NO)[/del] 3rd rounder
    BN…Philip Rivers (QB-SD) 14th round pick - kept last year
    [del]BN…Corey Dillon (RB-NE)[/del] 1st rounder
    [del]BN…Patrick Crayton (WR-Dal)[/del] free agent
    BN…Joe Klopfenstein (TE-StL) 13th round pick
    BN…Ernest Wilford (WR-Jac) 7th round pick
    BN…LenDale White (RB-Ten) 5th round pick
    [del]K…Matt Stover (K-Bal)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Miami (DEF-Mia)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Dallas (DEF-Dal)[/del] free agent

  10. Mundis Morning Glory (Spiritus Mundi)
    QB…Tom Brady (QB-NE) 4th round pick - kept last year
    [del]WR…Chad Johnson (WR-Cin)[/del] 2nd rounder
    WR…Braylon Edwards (WR-Cle) 9th round pick
    [del]RB…Warrick Dunn (RB-Atl)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]RB…Fred Taylor (RB-Jac)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]TE…Desmond Clark (TE-Chi)[/del] free agent
    [del]W/R…Wali Lundy (RB-Hou)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Reuben Droughns (RB-Cle)[/del] 1st rounder
    BN…Santana Moss (WR-Was) 6th rounder - kept last year
    [del]BN…Leon Washington (RB-NYJ)[/del] free agent
    [del]BN…Reggie Williams (WR-Jac)[/del] free agent
    BN…Randy McMichael (TE-Mia) 7th round pick
    BN…Matt Leinart (QB-Ari) 10th round pick
    BN…Ryan Moats (RB-Phi) 9th round pick
    [del]K…Adam Vinatieri (K-Ind)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Atlanta (DEF-Atl)[/del] free agent

  11. Mini Ditkas (Omniscient)
    [del]QB…Jeff Garcia (QB-Phi)[/del] free agent
    [del]WR…Chris Chambers (WR-Mia)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]WR…Reche Caldwell (WR-NE)[/del] free agent
    [del]RB…Julius Jones (RB-Dal)[/del] 1st rounder
    [del]RB…Thomas Jones (RB-Chi)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]TE…Ben Utecht (TE-Ind)[/del] free agent
    [del]W/R…Drew Bennett (WR-Ten)[/del] free agent
    BN…Joe Horn (WR-NO) 4th round pick
    BN…Dallas Clark (TE-Ind) 7th round pick
    BN…Kevin Curtis (WR-StL) 12th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Reggie Brown (WR-Phi) 6th round pick
    [del]BN…J.P. Losman (QB-Buf)[/del] free agent
    BN…Dominic Rhodes (RB-Ind) 14th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Maurice Hicks (RB-SF) 10th round pick
    K…Jeff Wilkins (K-StL) 15th round pick
    DEF…Jacksonville (DEF-Jac) 13th round pick

  12. Moridwon (Hamlet)
    QB…Trent Green (QB-KC) 6th round pick
    [del]WR…Donald Driver (WR-GB)[/del] 3rd rounder
    WR…Terry Glenn (WR-Dal) 14th round pick - kept last year
    [del]RB…Steven Jackson (RB-StL)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]RB…Edgerrin James (RB-Ari)[/del] 1st rounder
    TE…Tony Gonzalez (TE-KC) 5th round pick
    W/R…Maurice Jones-Drew (RB-Jac) 8th round pick
    BN…Jon Kitna (QB-Det) 10th round pick
    BN…Derrick Mason (WR-Bal) 4th round pick
    [del]BN…Bo Scaife (TE-Ten)[/del] free agent
    BN…Michael Turner (RB-SD) 13th round pick
    BN…Isaac Bruce (WR-StL) 7th round pick
    BN…Doug Gabriel (WR-Oak) 12th round pick
    BN…Correll Buckhalter (RB-Phi) 15th round pick
    [del]K…Robbie Gould (K-Chi)[/del] free agent
    DEF…Indianapolis (DEF-Ind) 11th round pick

  13. Fightin’ Quakers (furt)
    [del]QB…Tony Romo (QB-Dal)[/del] free agent
    [del]WR…Larry Fitzgerald (WR-Ari)[/del] 3rd rounder
    [del]WR…Arnaz Battle (WR-SF)[/del] free agent
    RB…Frank Gore (RB-SF) 8th round pick - kept last year
    [del]RB…Sammy Morris (RB-Mia)[/del] free agent
    TE…Kellen Winslow (TE-Cle) 7th round pick
    [del]W/R…Wes Welker (WR-Mia)[/del] free agent
    BN…Darrell Jackson (WR-Sea) 4th round pick
    [del]BN…Ahman Green (RB-GB)[/del] 2nd rounder
    [del]BN…Ronnie Brown (RB-Mia)[/del] 1st rounder
    BN…Jake Delhomme (QB-Car) 6th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Matt Jones (WR-Jac) 9th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Vernon Davis (TE-SF) 10th round pick
    BN…Jerome Harrison (RB-Cle) 12th round pick
    [del]K…Martin Gramatica (K-Dal)[/del] free agent
    [del]DEF…Tennessee (DEF-Ten)[/del] free agent

  14. Crabby Hermits (The Mad Hermit)
    [del]QB…Peyton Manning (QB-Ind)[/del] 1st rounder
    WR…T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR-Cin) 4th round pick
    [del]WR…Hines Ward (WR-Pit)[/del] 3rd rounder
    RB…Willie Parker (RB-Pit) 9th round pick - kept last year
    [del]RB…Jamal Lewis (RB-Bal)[/del] 2nd rounder
    TE…Alge Crumpler (TE-Atl) 5th round pick
    W/R…Antwaan Randle El (WR-Was) 11th round pick
    [del]BN…Marty Booker (WR-Mia)[/del] free agent
    BN…Rod Smith (WR-Den) 6th round pick
    [del]BN…Mack Strong (RB-Sea)[/del] free agent
    BN…Drew Bledsoe (QB-Dal) 7th round pick - kept last year
    [del]BN…Bobby Engram (WR-Sea)[/del] free agent
    BN…Samkon Gado (RB-Hou) 8th round pick
    BN…LaBrandon Toefield (RB-Jac) 14th round pick
    K…John Kasay (K-Car) 13th round pick
    [del]DEF…Pittsburgh (DEF-Pit)[/del] expired

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Mundi kept Taylor last year, then traded him to you where you kept him this year. Keeper eligibity expires after a player is kept two consecutive years regardless of trades.

What about offensive fumble return TDs? Also, the FO article asserted that pick-sixes were as random as fumble recoveries, which means all defensive TDs are random. Are you voting to zero out those categories? If not, why not?

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Weirddave and Spiritus Mundi, your presence is requested in the new league. Please sign up asap.

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