Maybe he’s really into Sapir–Whorf
I was going to be upset, but then I saw he said South Indians! Whew!
Yankee Indians are fine, but all ya’ll southerners are just a bunch of rednecks!
I’ve never understood this, but I’ve it to be very true.
That sounds like someone who’s never been to the Adirondacks. Check out Essex county. There’s rednecks there that make North Carolina look like Oxford, and not the one in Mississippi. Them Yankee rednecks is the worst.
My first thought was that he meant “South Asians” (i.e., the Indian subcontinent) but got it conflated with Indians, and typed South Indians instead.
For people not following the original discussion, what’s important here is that in GD, it’s apparently not a personal insult to say “South Indians, such as yourself, have a strong genetic tendency to selfishness and dishonesty” but it IS an insult to say “Hey, you’re a racist” to the person who said it. You’re supposed to understand that when someone says “Members of your group” they don’t mean “you” even though they will later explicitly make the argument that even rare individuals that don’t have the genetic flaw will inevitably find that their kids and grandkids regress to the mean for your race.
Right. They’re not saying that you personally are intellectual inferior, just that you probably are, and so, probably, are your family, extended relatives, neighbors with similar ethnic backgrounds, and everyone else throughout the world with a similar ethnic background.
Probably worth noting that HSC is apparently himself Asian, although I don’t know what part he hails from.
This is something of a distortion, of both the rules and the arguments being made.
Firstly, the “such as yourself” is your own addition, and I don’t recall anyone ever making the argument in that form. The ones who insist on applying things to themselves are generally the outraged anti-racists themselves, looking to turn the assertions into an insult that they can then suppress. I suspect that if someone made the race-IQ type arguments but gratuitously added “such as yourself” that it would be treated as an insult (since that would be the apparent purpose of that addition) though I can’t say for sure.
Second, no one ever said that anyone would “inevitably find that their kids and grandkids regress to the mean”, and this seems to betray complete ignorance of the concept of regression to the mean. Regression to the mean is a statistical concept that applies to groups, not to individuals, and no one could ever “inevitably” find regression to the mean applying to themselves or their children.
Why, some of his best friends are butt stuff!
In the interest of technical accuracy I should add that it could apply to individuals if you were looking at averages of selected measurements of a variable. (In such a case, the group of performances/measurements is itself a “group” for this purpose.) But in the context that it’s being used in these discussions what I wrote is correct.
But, how does it apply to butt stuff?
Actually, I thought he was of Tamil origins himself. Which if I’m correct would mean he either has some weird self-hate issue, he was making a self-disparaging joke or he was trying to set a rhetorical trap of some sort.
'course I could be wrong, but that’s what I seem to recall.
Those who have actually been following the discussion would know that it IS considered a personal insult to post something like that in GD. The fact that many of you guys always seem to exaggerate the situation beyond the acceptable speaks to the weakness of your case.
However… why don’t you go and post something like in GD and see what happens, and then we’ll see exactly who is correct.
Or he might just think he’s an outlier for his group. Or just think it’s irrelevant. (There seems to be some implicit assumption on your part that no one could possibly ever use logic to arrive at a conclusion that’s not in line with some emotional pull.)
Any given person is as smart or stingy as he is, regardless of how his ethnic group rates on average for those traits. Some people - most people, probably - would nonetheless be offended at the notion that they are members of a group that’s lacking on average in various positive qualities, even if they themselves are what they are, and that accounts for a lot of the emotion here. But from a purely logical standpoint that has no real bearing. I think that was the point that HSC was making in the other thread.
Of course, whatever his motivations are for holding whatever he holds also has no direct bearing on the issue. But since people are speculating here that he dislikes his loan officer or the like, it’s worth keeping his background in mind.
I mean, I’m Tamil? So I know more about southern Indian culture than about northern indian?
Anyway, Tamils have a higher rate of consanguinity than any other major ethnic group, which is why I’d guess they’d have genetic tendencies towards less altruism towards people outside their group.
I’d guess most civilized people would be fine living in a benevolent police state. Perhaps not troublemakers like yourself with a seeming lack of humility and obedience, but I can’t say I’m too concerned about folks like that. You might ask the Russians whether they preferred living in the Soviet Union under Brezhnev or under Yeltsin’s liberal democracy. Of course, I don’t actually mean ask individual people, as you seem to think personal anecdotes equal data. I mean, go look at some statistics. If you think that wouldn’t hurt your tender little feelings.
I was going to say that I had Pitted him as well, but I see that it was Chief Pedant. I think we can start an omnibus thread for CP, HSC and Fotheringay.
Conversely, we may not say that “they” are “probably” racist.
Oh look who’s here to defend his peeps. All in favor of expanding the Pit to include FP?
Are you?? Or are you not sure??? Or are you just using question marks to indicate a rising tone???
Would you?? I wouldn’t know???
Do they??
You’d fucking ‘guess’??? That’s rich, coming from someone berating me for my feels.
So, you’re bigoted because you’re racist? It’s like a Bollywood version of West Side Story…