IIRC, there was similar thinking in 1984 right up to election day; “Sure, the polls show that a lot of women say they’re voting for Reagan, but a lot of those are wives standing right next to their husbands when they say it, and when they step into the voting booth and see the name Geraldine Ferraro next to Walter Mondale, well, that’s why it’s a secret ballot.”
VPs don’t have to be well known. THey have to be reassuring. A splashy pick would be a bad idea if the nominee is old. There are no young Democrats who are ready to be President due to the devastation the party experienced over the last 8 years.
That’s ridiculous, at least depending on your definition of “young”. There are plenty of Democrats in office between 40 and 60 who are as ready to be president as most president-elects have been.
Fortunately, our Constitution has age qualifications for the office, so no young Democrats are running.
Compared to Trump? You really wanna go there?
Geraldine Ferraro was a nobody, running in the who-cares Veep slot against a popular President.
Elizabeth Warren is the top progressive Senator, doing well in the campaign (set aside two aging male dodderers) and is running against a monster.
No, I’d be severely disappointed in the American electorate if they chose Trump over Warren.
Well, since you have to be 35 to be President, there are no young candidates in any party. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Or Trump over anyone. I really will lose all hope if Trump is reelected no matter who gets the Democratic nomination.
Any of the candidates can defeat Trump. Even Clinton could have done it.
But possibility is not probability, and probability is not certainty. Anyone can do it, but who has the best chance?
I’ve been rolling around a Biden-Warren ticket. She’s no spring chicken, although she’s almost a decade younger than Joe. And she doesn’t bring racial or geographic diversity to the ticket, but this combo is somewhat appealing to me and may be becoming more appealing the more I see things shake out.
Warren is terribly weak. Even Massachusetts voters don’t want her as president.
For the umpteenth time: This. Is. Not. The. Metric.
I like this. Since both Trump and Biden will be of actuarial age, ***Pundits should stress the importance of debates between the Vice Pres. candidates. *** Let’s have lots of them, by proxy if Pence is too cowardly to opt in. I expect Warren to kill Pence in any debate.
The reason that it appeals to me is that they can both speak to blue collars, but Biden’s strength is that he can fire up people’s emotions. Warren’s strength balances that as she’s a policy wonk who can deliver on the ideas.
I could see Biden being the ticket’s bulldog that does a lot of the attacks on Trump and fills the stadiums and just does Joe, while Warren does the retail side of campaigning and delivers the liberal/worker-friendly policy details. Biden brings the heart, Warren brings the brains.
I have no idea where you are getting this idea that she is strong with voters. She managed to win a primary seven years ago, and then has underperformed ever since, but she still wins comfortably because MA is so overwhelmingly blue. (Problem is, the U.S. as a whole is not.)
So adjusting for partisan lean, Warren did the worst out of all the hundreds of senators and representatives who ran. Worse even than an indicted Republican congressman who the GOP tried to replace on the ballot. Dead fucking last. And you want to nominate THAT albatross for president?!? Please, no. Just…no. :smack:
I cosign Slacker’s post above.
I also don’t think she’d do well in a debate against Mike Pence. Pence is a brick wall, ice-cold, he’s very practiced at appearing calm and collected, and he is far smarter than people give him credit for. Every video I have watched of Warren makes me think she would be easily rattled in a debate and that she would not sound authoritative. Yeah yeah, I know, people are going to say I’m being sexist. But I don’t feel this way about Kamala Harris.
Her voice is grating. And similarly to Lamoral’s preemptive defense against a potential accusation of sexism, I don’t have the same reaction to the voices of Harris or Klobuchar, but I do also feel that way about Sanders’s voice. And I supported Hillary in the primaries in 2016.
She’s not running for president of Massachusetts, and we don’t need to pick up Massachusetts to win the presidency, so frankly I don’t really care how she polls there right now. If she were on the presidential ticket, people in MA will vote for her regardless.
I’m not saying she’s the perfect candidate, and I definitely don’t think she’s top-of-the-ticket material, but she’s been climbing in national polls, she recently campaigned in the heart of Trump country in WV and had Trump supporters nodding along with her, and if Sanders has peaked, she has the potential to pick up the progressive lane.
Good grief people, we haven’t even had our first debate, and yet people are able to definitively say a top five candidate is dead in the water as a running mate already? Like I said, I don’t know how it will play out, but she’s not as toxic as some of you think, especially if she’s not taking all the lightning at the top of the ticket.
What I’m looking for is someone who can deliver a blue-collar economic message to people in the Industrial Midwest, and I’m not convinced she can’t. Especially if Biden is at the top of the ticket filling the stadiums and driving the emotional message.
Elizabeth Warren just turned down a Fox News town hall.
Bernie Sanders just had a town hall on Fox News that turned out in his favor.
From her twitter on why she did it:
Good move or bad move?
There’s no law against having a picnic at the sewage-treatment plant. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.