Very nicely said.
Um some of those are basic requirements for a relationship.
1.I do want a woman who takes care of herself.
2.Why would I want a partner who I can’t confide in?
3.Why would I want a partner that gives horrible advice or won’t answer questions?
4.Why would I want a woman who was uninterested in sex as a partner?
5.I’d want a partner that has some sense and understands this is a partnership, I do get really angry when a woman thinks she is making a feminist stand by being a princess dating a butler, fuck that bullshit. Just as I sometimes pick up the slack she has to too.
I’m a heterosexual man and I would be completely unattracted to the woman you describe.
I generally prefer women who are attractive but don’t “preen”: minimal or no makeup, simple hairstyle, comfortable with who she is rather than overly concerned with appearance. For some reason, a woman who noticeably spends a great deal of time on her appearance is a huge turnoff for me, even if the result in terms of appearance is good. Whether she just springs out of bed naturally gorgeous or somehow manages to create the illusion of such, I guess I don’t really care (and hopefully don’t know). I hate the appearance of superficiality. (Ironic, I know!)
I also much prefer women who are strong and independent. While I like being able to take care of a woman, I hate neediness and subservience. When I take care of a woman I want it to feel like a luxury, something special to show that I care, or because its her birthday or she’s sick. It absolutely shouldn’t be the expected norm. If I think she needs or expects someone to take care of her all or most of the time, I run the other way. Not interested. And I’m absolutely not interested in being the “final word” for anyone other than myself.
ETA: Forgot to mention: I think a majority of men probably do want (or are ambivalent towards) the characteristics you described, but not a large majority. I also think it is somewhat concentrated in immigrant, minority, and lower socio-economic communities. I also think that relationships like that will continue to become less and less prevalent, but I don’t think they will ever die out. I think a sizable number of men will always want that sort of thing, even if most eventually won’t.
Too late to edit again, but I also wanted to add regarding sex: a woman who is always amenable to sex is a good thing, but a woman who sometimes demands sex is much, much better!
Count me as someone else who is puzzled by the title and the descriptions.
I had no idea that a traditional woman was supposed to :
That’s simply silly. I know many woman who I would consider “traditional” who don’t prioritize physical beauty. I know many women who would likely be considered nontraditional who care about their appearances.
What really makes me wonder are these
WTF? If I ask my wife for something which I don’t understand, is she supposed to either refuse to answer me or turn in her nontraditional wife card? How does this work? Only “traditional” women are confidants? “Nontraditional” wives ignore husbands?
Mnnn. OK, we’ve gone past traditional and nontraditional into fantasy land.
Now we’re off into sexist land. It’s the guy’s household and she gets responsibilities delegated to her rather than being a joint household who divide responsibilities up.
Can someone tell me what a “female question” is?
Hmmmm. Questions on purely female biological issues like pregnancy and breast feeding come to mind. And if you have girl children a woman is the logical person to ask for advice on how to raise them.
A traditional man would never want to know about such shameful things.
So the OP is asking if hetero men want a hot, smart chick who begs them for sex, cooks & keeps the house clean, gives good advice, and knows enough to shut the fuck up when The Man has a difference of opinion with her. :rolleyes:
Oh no, doesn’t beg – that would be unseemly. She’s just in a constant state of passive arousal, waiting for you to make a move whenever you feel like it, on your time, and never turning you down.
Oh but but those traditionalists are sneaky,and no angels. Love her homecooking but piss her off and she spits in your food. Warning if she is always ready for sex with YOU, know that she also flirts with the UPS dudes & makes eyes at your father, brother & best friend. She may play dumb, but she knows all your secrets, passwords and porn sites too. Just when you think you’ve got it all she flips will leave you after ten years…for some slacker with no ass and no biceps who worships the ground she walks on. But hey it was a good grind while you got it on, move on!
Are we talking “traditional” or “Stepford?”
Is that something any husband would actually care about? Hell if my wife told me she pissed in my coffee I’d be slightly intrigued.
Neither.
That’s not much like the “traditional” wife, and even less like a Stepford wife.
It’s backlash syndrome. “Traditional women” are a lot more traditional now than they were back when they were just “women.”
The OP is using “traditional woman” as shorthand for “a woman who caters her life around me and expects nothing in return except my cock.”
In reality, traditional women expect much more than this, and many in fact could do away with the cock and be perfectly okay with that since sex is a thing they are taught to believe is an obligation, bodily function, or bartering commodity rather than an exciting experience they are entitled to enjoy. I don’t know too many men nowadays who want to be the sole breadwinner of their households, but that is what many traditional women expect. Many also expect their men will completely fund their shopping escapades and buy them expensive presents to keep them happy.
So not only is the OP misrepresenting the “traditional woman” archetype, he’s only telling half the story.
Gee, it’s almost enough to make a guy wish for a frigid Bridget for whom sex is only a wifely duty. Hegemonic femininity FTW!
Excuse me, bub, I think I resent that. I haven’t found my high-mileage honey yet, but I am a no-bicep slacker and I would worship my woman…not the ground, but the closest part of her to it (I’m also a card-carrying foot fetishist).
^^^^^ this.
Awesome.
Snort!
If I showed this to Pepper Mill, she’d laugh derisively. She certainly doesn’t hugely prioritize her physical beauty, and never did. I take her as she comes.
She is a complete confidant and gives excellent advice, but her idea of what constutes “female questions” might not line up with “traditional” ideas.
I think she ios constantly attracted to me, but she is no more “keen for it all the time” than I am. Human beings have “down time”, too.
I can “delegate any aspect of running the household to her” and “She is subservient”? No way. She’d have something to say about whose responsibility different aspects of the household are.
So I certainly don’t have a “traditional woman”. I certainly don’t think I’d want to be married to such a creature. Even if she did all the things i wanted, I’d suspect that she had hidden feelings and ideas, and even if she didn’t express them, I’d suspect that she was keeping them hidden, and being uncomfortable about it.