Well, it went against their own by-laws and rules which they later argued in court were not really binding and just a political promise and therefore not one you can hold them too.
Their safety valve are the superdelegates which tells would be democratic voters that their votes only count a little bit and could be overturned.
Wow…
Sanders was light years better for African Americans than the Clintons ever were. He spent decades working diligently for civil rights and never wavered. Hillary worked for Barry Goldwater and called members of the African American community “superpredators”. Bill Clinton’s 1994 crime bill helped spur the mass incarceration of black people (three strikes law).
Yes and no, depending on what timeframe you’re talking about. The DNC became, essentially, an operating arm of the Clinton campaign before the first primary or caucus was even held, so it’s more accurate to say that the DNC favored Clinton over every other possible candidate, not just Bernie. In the end, it came down to Clinton vs Sanders, but that was later.
Now, maybe some folks think it’s best for the party to jump in on the side of one candidate that early, but lots of folks think otherwise.
I cannot think of a time on the SDMB were it is the responsibility of someone to go read up on all previous posts of another poster which might have bearing on the current discussion.
So do your own work or admit you’ve got nothing but low effort drive-bys in you.
Marginalized, yes - we have been for ages. Absorbed? Hell no. It’s either the party turns leftward or we go back to sitting on our asses letting them drift on like an unguided vessel.
No.
In a universe where they overperform in already-deep-blue states and forget that the EC requires them to spread out majorities.
And I’m not a Democrat; I align with Socialist Alternative and supported Mimi Soltysik, Socialist Party USA’s candidate, after Bernie was cheated out of the nomination. It’s cool if you want to be a part of keeping the Democratic Party Republican Lite (though frankly I don’t know why you don’t just outright be a Republican if you detest real leftism so much); if y’all succeed I’ll assume you won’t be attending Trump’s 2021 inauguration.
Bingo. Overperforming amongst the latte liberal “#ImWithHer” crowd did her no good because she forgot about several important demographics, who either sat at home, went third party, or supported Trump - and with damn good reason: why the hell is someone in the struggle gonna support a fucking coastal liberal? Fuck them - it’s not like they care about us. Look at San Francisco, L.A., Seattle, NYC, D.C., et cetera - if there’s so many “progressives” there, why is there a homelessness epidemic? What happened to breaking off some family-style for the outcasts?
Oh wait, I forgot - the “unwashed bums” might stain the new white leather couches and ruin the vibe at the next cocktail party.
Bolding mine.
Yup, and that new approach should have been - at the very least - harnessing the spirit of Lyndon Johnson (minus the hawkishness). But nope, let’s be Republican Lite!
Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, kemosabe. Keep on thinking that the Dems need to be a center-right party, and people will continue to invoke the “lite beer principle”. Especially in today’s environment, where, unlike in '92, unfettered Reagan-style capitalism’s chickens are coming home to roost en masse - and the eggs they are laying are radioactive.
The Democrats have an opportunity to embrace socialism and, truly and for real, “Make America Great… At Long Last” (this country has never been ‘great’; more on that later). Or, they can continue to be Centrist Clintonistas, in which case us true leftists will abandon the Dems again and let y’all’s ship drift out in open ocean with no engine and no winds for the sails while the Republicans steamroll by on an aircraft carrier. Of course, this time, the U.S. isn’t liable to survive another fifty years of the consequences of that kinda mess - whether by way of a hawk that escalates things with China/Russia and starts a shooting war (that’ll inevitably turn nuclear) and/or the country becomes a failed “zombie state” that has a damn good probability of Balkanizing.
Not nearly progressive enough. Sorry, Charlie.
Oh yeah? Well, it was my “#NotWithHer” minority that sunk her and threw the election to Trump. We’ll be happy to give him a second term if you wish, or you can get with the program. Your choice.
The truth stings, don’t it? See Whack-A-Mole’s posts between the one currently quoted and this one; they provided a great summary of the DNC’s mess they pulled.
Haha, from that article…
Marcus Johnson, whoever the fuck he is, needs to ram a porcupine up his privileged ass. Shit like his is what gave Trump the presidency, and he is too busy with his little persecution complex to realize this.
I’m gonna steal a Clintonista line here, and modify it a bit.
**IT’S STILL STILL THE MOTHERFUCKING ECONOMY, STUPID!
Jesus Murphy on a pogo stick in the springtime, this is not that fucking hard to get. He and the rest of the “#ImWithHer” crowd needs to get it through their arugula-stuffed, latte-soaked pea-brains that the “prosperous Clinton years” and the “prosperous Obama years”, as well as any “good economy” in any kind of recent memory, motherfucking missed the underclass. And that’s why us in the underclass delivered Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Iowa, North Carolina, Florida, et cetera to Trump.
It ain’t about skin color these days nearly as much as it is about economics. I have a lot more in common with poor whites - urban, suburban, and rural alike - than I do with the “black middle class”, who all need to spread their cheeks and take rusty fenceposts up their piece of shit asses.
Those of us in the underclass are oppressed by the rich and the “middle class”. There are people of all skin tones oppressing, and people of all skin tones oppressed.
Bernie was telling the truth and focusing on this (though without enough talking about the middle class - or, as they are better known, the petit bourgeois) and that’s why he was so fucking popular. He resonated with the forgotten peoples of this country. But the Democrats decided that pussy-ass liberals whining about “oppression” while sitting on the heated leather seats in their Audis and on their $1500 bicycles with five, six, seven figures in their bank account and a luxury apartment in the city were enough to win them the election. And we all know how THAT turned out, now don’t we?
Boo hoo, poor motherfucking baby, the rich gay couple couldn’t get a cake from a Christian bakery? WHO THE FUCK CARES, there are people STARVING! WE go first, y’all privileged motherfuckers gotta take a number and sit the fuck down.
Incremental change would be fine, if it was incremental change that was actually progressive. Take health care. The Democrats had a supermajority for enough time to where they could have forced through healthcare reform with a public option. I would have been good with that - it was not necessary for them to ram through single payer (though that would have been nice) - but nope, not even that incremental change was on their radar. Obamacare took a swimming pool full of water, dumped a single packet of Kool-Aid and a cup of sugar in, and called it punch. The Democrats gotta step it up.
Yup, I do know better. Idiots will be idiots, and the selfish (the “black middle class”) will be the selfish. They let that mess sink Bernie, and sinking Bernie sank the Democrats’ chances against Trump.
Yup, and I’m proud to be. If the choice is between more of the status quo and burning this motherfucker to the ground, then I will be happy to grab my matches and gas and do my part.
America’s chickens, they are finally motherfuckin’ comin’ home to roost, y’all. The British may have been twisted, but the “revolutionaries” (sic) decided they were gonna turn around in this new country and turn the Evil-O-Meter all the way over and rip that fucker off the base.
America - the government and the corporations that are wedded with it like a mutant Siamese twin - has done nothing but fuck with the rest of the world to suit its own selfish, twisted desires, especially since the Russian Revolution in 1917. Any time oppressed people stood up and punched out their oppressors or a people simply refused to play ball with America, Uncle Sam was ready with firepower to turn them into a pile of ash. Allende’s Chile, New JEWEL’s Grenada, the Congo, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq… the list goes on and on. There is not a country on this whole blue marble that the U.S. has not interfered with in this way.
The U.S. built up the largest military by far to ensure this hegemony continued… except the Evil Empire failed to take into account how the advancement of the interwebtubes would provide a way to get around that.
Russia found that door and marched through it like Sherman trekking through Georgia. And you know what? Good! It’s good to see this country get a taste of its own fucking medicine for once. They don’t need a single Russian boot on U.S. soil to divide and conquer this place, and I’m laughing my ass off right now about this whole situation.
DoggyDunnit, I don’t necessarily disagree with you on any ideological point. But I think you are mistaken in thinking that cleaving left away from the Democrats will move the discussion left. Parties go where the votes are, and it;'s been shown time and time again that voters in the middle, and to the right, will show up to vite, regardless of opinion polls.
You aren’t helping. If voting is a strategic exercise, you are failing. Your best bet is to vote Dem and shift the party leftwards. I am sorry if that is a bitter pill, but it’s one many of us have had to swallow, and has been borne out by actual events. Do what you want in the primary, but at the end you have a binary choice. Right or Left. And whether you like it or not, the Dems are the only viable option on the left.
Well you said that “Sanders was light years better for African Americans than the Clintons ever were.”, yet he didn’t get the AA vote. So going by that they didn’t agree that he was light years better for them. By their votes they disagreed with you, so you declaring that Bernie was better for them means you think they voted wrong.
The problem is the center has moved to the right. Dramatically so and I think we are starting to see the backlash to that and the pendulum may be swinging back the other way.
The attempt to compromise has gotten Dems nowhere except dragged to the right. It needs to stop. I certainly see no problem resisting the “middle” when it has moved to the right and try to pull it back some. If that means Dems lose some races because they are republican-lite rather than liberal then so be it.
That said any reading of the civil rights record of Sanders and Clinton will have Sanders way out ahead of Clinton. It is kinda his thing at the center of who he is and he’s been a staunch advocate for civil rights since…well…his whole career. He doesn’t waver on it for political reasons either. He has Clinton beat hands down no matter how you slice it on this issue. That is not to say Clinton has been bad about it but nowhere near Sanders.
If black people wanted a champion for minority rights then Sanders was the better choice. Period. No two ways about it.
Why they chose otherwise is probably worth a thread of its own. Maybe they had other reasons for wanting Clinton that trumped their civil rights records.
If you have played tug-of-war you know letting go of the rope can work.
I am not saying it was a considered strategy of the democrats but the republicans are showing many signs of landing on their ass and the democrats are starting to reel in that rope.
If you think “marching” made Sanders the better choice then you suck at listening to what black people had to say just as much as Bernie did. He was never going to be a “champion” for them. He was too busy blaming “political correctness” for Trump winning the presidency. Clinton isn’t going to run again. Neither should Sanders. End of story.
Ok. Not sure I agree with all that (will have to read it later) but let’s assume that is right for now. (The political correctness bit after Trump won triggers a bullshit flag)
How was Clinton better? Was she just better at bullshitting them or was there more substance to it?
…that political correctness bit was from me. The article was written before the election. And yeah I had a problem with his remarks after the election. The full quote:
When asked about “real genuine pain for some folks, Muslim-Americans in this country particularly”, his instant reaction was to talk about “political correctness.” That says to me everything about his instincts, about what he really thinks. It backs up everything it says in that article. He had a moment to stand up and reach out to minorities that you think he would have been a “better champion” for. And in that moment he reached out to the “white rust-belt” instead.
I haven’t exactly been defending Sanders in this thread - or elsewhere - but I have no problem with the part you quoted. The question was about how Trump communicated, and why that held appeal to ‘some folks.’ Sanders responded to that. And I have no doubt that part of what appealed to some about Trump was a blunt and ‘politically incorrect’ manner of speaking.
Now, Democrats don’t need to call Haiti a shithole country or Mexicans rapists to keep up - and, in fact, they should not - but they do need to find a way to appear genuine. Obama managed to do it while holding a standard Democratic agenda.
