Hey, "Dr." Laura *is* a hypocrite!

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Hypocracy?
How about touting the need for families to stick together, when she hasn’t spoken to her mother for many years?
How about saying “I am my child’s mother”, without mentioning the children of her second husband?
How about her telling mothers that they are sluts if they sleep with someone before they are married, when she did it herself?
How about her telling mothers that they should stay home with their children no matter how much the family needs a second income, when she had her little child at the studio with her?

You need more? There’s plenty!

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Compelling, Slythe… those are some good points. I’m sure that each of those points have another side to the argument, but I, for one, concede the argument.

Of course, just because she can be hypocritical doesn’t mean that all of her advice is bad… on some issues (not all, not nearly all) she’s just the messenger, giving advice that others have come up with.

You know, now that I think of it, the advice she gives that I agree with is advice that’s more “common sense” than anything else… the stuff I disagree with seems to be her own views and opinions… I never thought of it that way, and it just occurred to me.

Oh, well, I don’t listen to the windbag anyway… I much prefer Phil Hendrie myself.

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Dr Laura (or Dr. Moron as we refer to her at our house, sorry Anti Pro, can’t resist) is often full of crap. Let’s say it like it is. But it’s nothing compared to other crap that goes on everyday on television and other media.

Take the day time shows for example, which feature regular name calling and fights. What the hell is that? How about the public schools teaching children to put condoms on cucumbers?(posted this in GD thread on schools) How about the gay lifestyle being a required subject? WHAT KINDA CRAP IS THAT? You wanna tell me that homosexuality is now required? Get the fuck outa here. Do what you want but don’t preach it to me in public schools! I will never like or dislike someone based on their sexuality, but just because someone is gay don’t expect me to automatically make nice. Sorry folks, no way can you tell me that we have not gone from acceptance of homosexuality to mandatory homosexuality in our society. Why does your fuck-style have to be the center of everything?

Easy now, before you accuse me of being homophobic, I’ll be the first to defend any gay person being attacked for being gay. The hell with Dr. Laura or anyone else that wants to shove it down your throat! Just tune out and skip her show like I do. But if we are going to have a free country, then all people should be able to state their opinions.

Dr. Laura may be a hypocrite, but she does not even come close to the hipocracy of some. How about Rosie O’Donnell (sp?), the ultimate anti-gun crusader, who has a body guard with a gun? Wow! After all the attacks she has launched on gun owners, she says it’s OK in some cases! This, friends is a hypocrite.

Sili

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tradesilicon wrote:

I’ll certainly agree that there’s a lot of schlock on television these days, but the difference between Springer and Schlessinger is the difference between entertainment and malpractice. Springer doesn’t claim to be an expert on anything except perhaps being a talk show host. Schlessinger dispenses “professional” advice (as if “Dr.” wasn’t implicit enough) and says it’s factual and accurate. It’s one thing to have a discussion about gorillas, but it’s an entirely different matter to state as a fact that they’re better than humans.

Hmmm, not sure what school district you’re living in, but I highly doubt the situation is as you describe it. Please, I’d love to see some sources on these outrageous claims. Of course, I’m sure you’re not confusing the teaching of diversity, which may include the gay and lesbian community, with “homosexual indoctrination,” because I’m sure you’re much more intelligent than that.

Well, no, Dr. Laura’s not shoving homosexuality down anyone’s throat - did you read the OP? What Dr. Laura did was call homosexuals “biological deviants” and all sorts of other inaccurate and slanderous things, and when she and Paramount were proffering a deal and the gay community reminded her new producers of this, she offered a half-hearted apology for her unkind words. Then it’s announced she’s doing a program about the wonders of reorientation therapy, which has been defrauded by every laudable psychological organization there is.

As I said, it’s one thing for her (or you, or anyone) to have an opinion and express it, but it is an entirely different one for you to say that opinion is the only right one, or that opinion is based in factual science when it clearly is not.

Although I also question Rosie’s gun control stance from time to time, I’d still take her advice over Schlessinger’s any day of the week.

Esprix

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Esprix, thank you for a nice reply to a somewhat incoherrent post. (I re-read the thing and said “huh?”). I do have a few points to make, let me try again:

Esprix said

I’ll certainly agree that there’s a lot of schlock on television these days, but the difference between Springer and Schlessinger is the difference between entertainment and malpractice.

There is no difference between Springer and Schlessinger – they are both bad entertainment. I don’t watch/listen to either, although I have heard enough to know I don’t value either. Laura gives advice on a radio show, this does not make her an authority, it makes her someone who gives opinions, and people are willing to listen. Just like others were willing to watch Springer. ‘Nuf said.

Esprix said

Hmmm, not sure what school district you’re living in, but I highly doubt the situation is as you describe it. Please, I’d love to see some sources on these outrageous claims. Of course, I’m sure you’re not confusing the teaching of diversity, which may include the gay and lesbian community, with “homosexual indoctrination,” because I’m sure you’re much more intelligent than that.

I live in S.F., the schools are putting this into the curriculum according to ABC news.
I am not sure what diversity is being taught in these schools. Do we now expect “the gay and lesbian community” as a course? I think this is flat out wrong. I don’t think we need to focus this type of attention onto what different people do in bed. What does this have to do with educating children? Should we teach the “sacrifice of goats and chickens” as a class? (Please, I’m not comparing the two, just their relevance to education).

Esprix said

Well, no, Dr. Laura’s not shoving homosexuality down anyone’s throat - did you read the OP?

I’m not saying that she is, I’m saying there are other people in society insisting that we take this topic to the forefront. I would like that to stop, much more so than Dr. Laura’s meaningless show. Why is it necessary to discuss lifestyles at all in the schools?

I’m not sure I did any better this time. Oh well, it seems like most of my posts are rambling, I’ll be much better after a drink or two…

Sili

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Aw, your posts weren’t that rantish, Tradesilicon, I know what you meant.

Y’know, Esprix, I think Dr. Laura opened a show addressing your topic about “apologizing” for her comments. She claimed that she didn’t apologize for her harsh words, but rather she apologized for people being offended. So it wasn’t so much as “I’m sorry I said this” as it was “I’m sorry you got angry.” I never heard her “apology”, so I wouldn’t know, but that’s her side of the story.

In addition, I can’t recall Dr. Laura ever claiming to be a professional… adding the title “Dr.” is hardly a claim to be an expert, after all. I could be wrong, of course, having only listened to a small fraction of her shows… does anyone have a transcript or something?

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**I live in S.F., the schools are putting this into the curriculum according to ABC news. I am not sure what diversity is being taught in these schools. Do we now expect “the gay and lesbian community” as a course?
**

You know, I’d really rather you provide some information for this because it clearly sounds like you’re jumping to assumptions. It’s tempting for me to jump to the opposite assumption just to counter yours and that doesn’t do much to counter ignorance, now does it?

Also could please, just for politeness, stop summing up
up homosexuals as fuck machines. I don’t claim that all there is to heterosexuality is “fuck style”, and I’d like the same courtesy.

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First, everyone else seems to get it, but, Esp, my friend, can you please straighten out the negatives in this sentence:

By my reading you have said “I don’t not believe this isn’t true” or, simplified, “I believe this isn’t true.” Context suggests that such isn’t the case.

So do you believe stopdrlaura.com or not?

Second:

Free Newbie Lessons.

Trade, to quote another person’s post is cool brackets that easily distinguish it from your own text (as I did with Esprix’s above), type:

<quote>Quoted text</quote>

replacing the HTML < > angle brackets with vBB square brackets, like this:

–John

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here’s a few interesting facts about the good “DR”

http://extra.newsguy.com/~satire/hippo.htm

I know it says satire, but it’s some good factual info, and sources are quoted.

If you think she spends less than 1% of her show on the topic, you should have heard her show when the Knight initave was on ballots in California. She beat that topic to death to ensure her zombies made it to the polls to be sure it passed. Every day several times a show.

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** Esprix,** I went back and read the original OP when I saw your reply today. You’re right, and I’m sorry. You were quoting from an article, rather than it being being your opinion.

** slythe, ** Laura isn’t the one not speaking to her mother, she was the one rejected by her mom. All the issues you brought up were done when she was young, she says she realizes that they were harmful and that she knows better NOW, which means it isn’t hypocrisy. HOWEVER, the lying about those photos being her was wrong. She DID finally admit to it, but only after they were published.

Please understand, I’m not saying she is right in all that she says, or does. I’m simply saying that to dismiss EVERYTHING she has done because of her beliefs about gays is also off the mark. I don’t believe the majority of the people who DO listen to her buy into everything she says. They just admire the desire to put families ahead of materialism. She’s just a flawed person, and I think it’s often better to have things out in the open, to give others the chance to hear and decide for themselves what is applicable and what is not.

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Thank you, Yue Han

beakerxf, I’ll do my best - ABC News (specifically, ABC Radio, during hourly news broadcasts within the last two months) reported that in the S.F. School District, among other things, the children were taught to put a condum on a cucumber. They also discussed homosexual lifestyles, far beyond the “Why Johnny has two mommys”. I really don’t know what else to say, to me this is a waste of public school time and resources, and completely improper. I don’t think the thread was focused on this, I simply brought it up since we are discussing the Dr. Laura issue, and her overboard stance on homosexuality. I guess my point was that although Dr. Laura is quite a repulsive person, the “gay and lesbian community” has also gone overboard in pushing their agenda and asking for special rights rather than equal rights, and Dr. Laura is the least of our worries, being a cheep and not-so-good entertainer.
Why are we putting people into a “community” base on their sexuality in the first place? Do homosexuals need to be identified as such? Anyway, I have no wish to hijack the thread, I’ll be happy to dicuss further is you start a new one, if you wish.

I said nothing about homosexuals being “fuck machines”, I did say"fuck style", and that’s exactly what I meant. Is there something else to it? (Please keep in mind I am no prude, I’ve lived in S.F. for 23 years, have been friends with many gay men and women. I have not seen anything special/different/unique about homosexuals as a group to suggest there is something different about the life style. It’s MHO.) And, we are in the Pit, eh?
Sili

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**
beakerxf, I’ll do my best - ABC News (specifically, ABC Radio, during hourly news broadcasts within the last two months) reported that in the S.F. School District, among other things, the children were taught to put a condum on a cucumber.**

What does a cucumber have to do with homosexuality? Also, it’s not exactly a new thing. They were doing that when I was in junior high about 10 years ago, only it was bananas.

** They also discussed homosexual lifestyles, far beyond the “Why Johnny has two mommys”.**

This is the part where I’m not sure what you’re talking about. What is a gay lifestyle? Are you talking about dating? Anonymous sex in a bathroom? Getting married and adopting? Paying bills? Walking the dog? What is exactly is a gay lifestyle?

Also, what are they teaching. The possibilities are endless. They could be talking about anal sex, mutual masturbation. Or perhaps they could be talking about the laws that deal with homosexuality. How in Idaho, sodomy can carry up to a life sentence, but in California it’s legal. Or perhaps they’re teaching the history of homosexuality. Boys and girls, this is Stonewall, this Walt Whitman, this is Leonardo DiVinci. Or maybe it’s just a class on tolerance, “Johnny has two mommies. Don’t beat up Johnny. That’s bad. Don’t call Johnny’s moms ‘dykes’. That’s bad.”
That’s why I was hoping for details.

** I really don’t know what else to say, to me this is a waste of public school time and resources, and completely improper.**

Depends on what they’re teaching. I don’t see tolerance classes as a waste of time.

the “gay and lesbian community” has also gone overboard in pushing their agenda and asking for special rights rather than equal rights,

Hmmmm, and these special rights are…? Do you mean rights above what you have currently? Examples, please.
** Why are we putting people into a “community” base on their sexuality in the first place? **

Because we gays apparently have a lifestyle. People with “special” lifestyles tend to get lumped together.

Do homosexuals need to be identified as such? Anyway, I have no wish to hijack the thread, I’ll be happy to dicuss further is you start a new one, if you wish.

I’ll try to figure out where this post will fit and start a new one.
I said nothing about homosexuals being “fuck machines” I did say"fuck style", and that’s exactly what I meant.

Note, when I said “fuck machines” I did it without quotes. Hence, I was not directly quoting you. It was my opinion, however, that you were reducing the essence of being of being gay to being a fuck machine. There is much more to being heterosexual or homosexual than “fuck styles”.

** Is there something else to it? (Please keep in mind I am no prude, I’ve lived in S.F. for 23 years, have been friends with many gay men and women. I have not seen anything special/different/unique about homosexuals as a group to suggest there is something different about the life style. It’s MHO.) And, we are in the Pit, eh?
**

Do you have a problem with sex ed in general, or only when it deals with homosexuality? If it’s the latter, then yes you do see homosexuals as “special/different/unique”.

Beaker

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Do homosexuals need to be identified as such? Anyway, I have no wish to hijack the thread, I’ll be happy to dicuss further is you start a new one, if you wish.

Well, a lot of the posters get bugged if old debates are rehashed, so I did a search. Naturally, nothing is new under the sun. Pretty much everything that we have discussed here has already been debated:

Please List the Special Rights
Ethics of Homosexuality

Homosexual “rights”?!

gay agenda

Sex & Children

Gay clubs in elementary schools

Now, if you ever find out what is being taught in the San Francisco schools, then that could reasonably be seen as a fresh topic and you can start a thread.

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Hi, there.

I just read the first few posts to this thread and am anxious to reply, so please forgive me if I restate what someone else said.

Connor - Tell your girlfriend that Dr. Laura’s Ph.D isn’t in soc. or psych. but basically phys. ed. In other words, she’s far more suited to tell you how to firm up your abs then run your life.

douglips - RE: Dr. Laura as hypocrite - I know of one example of this. She’s stated how terribly unfair it is that folks want her TV show yanked before it even goes on the air because of her views on gay people (and from what I can tell, she hasn’t been very nice to non-gays, either). This from a woman who told her 20 million or so viewers that some skate shop her son went into sold some magazine that she found offensive (the owner denied they carried it) and basically had him run out of business.

Now WHY is it okay for Dr. Laura to dis him on her radio show to the point he losses his (presumably) only source of income over a magazine, but she sees something wrong with folks dissing an additional source of income for her over remarks she has made to millions of people? I smell a double standard.

AND consider who one of her supporters is…the Rev. Fred Phelps. Yes, the same Rev. Phelps who goes to the funerals of well-known gay men and holds up such charming signs as “God Hates Fags.” He gave her some verbal backing about a week ago after P&G pulled their sponsorship for her show. With friends like these…

PLUS she claims her anti-gay stance is based on her Jewish upbringing, and yet the Anti-Defamation Legue begs to differ. I HATE it when people justify their bigotry by claiming their relgion says they’re right. I’m sure jerks like her would STILL be jerks no matter what deity they pray to.

And I saw a documentary about her months before this controversy over her TV show began and even then I got the impression she was full of hot air, at best. Food for thought I got through the e-mail…no one in their right mind would give David Duke a radio show knowing the former KKK member’s remarks about anyone who isn’t white, so why should Dr. Laura get a show dispite her remarks about gay people?

Patty

P.S. Please excuse any spelling errors - I had to write this quickly.

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Nothing. It’s a waste of time to teach this to kids, period. Just like it is to talk about anonynous sex in the bathroom, and fist fucking, and tons of other crap we did not have to teach in schools before, and most places in the world still don’t.

See above.

My point precisely - there is nothing different about the lifestyle, so why the need for the “gay and lesbian” community? Why the need to be identified by the partner you have in bed? I could care less if you sleep with Jane or Joe, because you’re not bothering me. What’s with all this noise then? You want to march to show Gay Pride? I don’t get it? What is the pride about? Am I to start marching yearly for the overweight bald guy pride movement? Whasupwitdat?

I disagree, I think there is nothing more to it. You very examples above point this out. Heterosexuals and Homosexuals have the same range of lifestyles, and I can see no reason for any “special” status. Unless you can tell me why we should treat a group of people differently based on weather they sleep with same-sex (gender) partners or not.

Tolerance Classes? This is a whole new debate. I believe we should correct intolerance, but teaching tolerance is largely bull crap. Like I said, a whole debate in itself.

I have no right to start a class on the mating habits of Tradesilicon in a public schools, that’s for sure. Nor do I have a right to demand the use of the name “olympics” as in “Tradesilicon Olympics”, but the “Gay Olympics” for some reason was demanded from the Olympic comitee. Better off making sure that all athletes coullld compete regardless of their sexual orientation, than fight for special status…

Oh really, what? Nothing that I can tell.

Thanks for pointing to the other threads, I’ll try to read through and post again if I think I can add something. Maybe I’ll start a new thread, and we can continue this discussion. I have not seen any more posts on Dr. Moron, so I think this thread may be ready to end.

Sili

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Ooops, I meant to type “20 million or so listeners,” she doesn’t have any viewers yet. Sorry!

Patty

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Nothing. It’s a waste of time to teach this to kids, period. Just like it is to talk about anonynous sex in the bathroom, and fist fucking, and tons of other crap we did not have to teach in schools before, and most places in the world still don’t.

Now, I really want to see cite now. I can’t imagine a school teaching anonymous sex or even fisting. I took sex ed and basically it was just a class for debunking of schoolyard rumors.

Can the girl get pregnent if she’s on top?
Yes.
Can you get pregnant your first time?
Yes.
If the guy pulls out before climaxing, can you get pregnant?
Yes.

etc.

Then they had a section on STDs and the overall theme was that no form of protection is 100% effective.

Nothing lurid there. Just your basic facts that will, hopefully, reduce the underage births and STDs in this country. Certainly nothing that made me want to run out and have sex. If anything, it made me more leary of early sexual activity.

Why don’t you ask a local school if you can sit on the sex ed classes? You can’t trust the media protrayal. heck, you can’t even provide clear details of the media portrayal, so it seems finding out from the source would be the best option.

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You want to march to show Gay Pride? I don’t get it? What is the pride about? Am I to start marching yearly for the overweight bald guy pride movement? Whasupwitdat?**

You know, you could have a bald guy pride parade if you really wanted to.

I suppose the reason gays have parades is the same reason my hometown held Basque festivals or that there are twin conventions. People who have one trait in common like to get together. It’s one of those quirks of human nature.

It’d be nice to be ble to go through life without defining oneself as either heterosexual or homsexual. It’d be nice to be seen as essentially the same thing. Unfortunately, the US government still view heterosexuals and homosexuals differently. Therefore, there will continue to be demonstrations and parades until each is view on the same plane.

I can see no reason for any “special” status. Unless you can tell me why we should treat a group of people differently based on weather they sleep with same-sex (gender) partners or not.

No, I don’t think gays should have “special” status. Yes, the only difference between the groups are fuck styles. I agree with you there.

Beaker

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So Esprix, I take it you won’t be buying this?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004OCOY/002-8033065-1044058

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Sorry for not posting in here sooner, but this fucking board is driving me apeshit. I’m lucky to get in one or two posts a day, but today seems to be going fairly smoothly, so I’m posting everything I can as quick as I can.

tradesilicon wrote:

I agree they’re both bad entertainment, but I don’t agree that they’re different. Schlessinger touts an air of authority that Springer doesn’t. If she’s going to laud her PhD then she ought to be doing so in an area she knows (perhaps she could teach gym somewhere), but not go on the air and be a self-proclaimed relationship expert.

I think beakerfx and I both seem to be of the opinion that your interpretation of the curriculum you speak of in your school district is based on some serious bits of misinformation. I think, perhaps, you’ve bought into the media hype that gays are recruiting your children or kids are being taught gay sex against their parents’ wishes. Your examples are sketchy - condoms on a cucumber sounds like practical work in a sex ed class, no one is teaching kids how to fist-fuck, and “teaching beyond ‘Heather Has Two Mommies’” only shows you have no idea what they’re teaching, so you’re making some wild assumptions. It would be more beneficial if you were to find out exactly what it was that was being taught. What is the name of the course and/or the school district? Perhaps there’s something about it online.

I know my own sister was just as concerned about the sex ed classes in her school when her son was in middle school, so the school district allowed parents to review the course material and attend an overview of the program and then they could choose whether or not they thought it was appropriate for their child to take the classes. I think that’s just responsible parenting, and any school district out there is going to keep the lines of communication open between the school and the parents because they know quite well that direct parental involvement in a child’s education is the best way for that child to succeed.

You also asked:

Tell me, have you ever been a minority? I would not condescend so much to say, “It’s a gay thing - you wouldn’t understand,” but it’s as good a place to start as any.

I pity the person you’re involved in a relationship with.

As a point of fact, the Gay Games lost that particular battle. However, do you think the Special Olympics should give up their claim to the name as well? I mean, after all, we’re singling them out, right? And we ought to just go ahead and integrate the women’s and men’s basketball leagues. I mean, just because a bunch of people with something in common want to go ahead and have a sporting event, well, we oughtn’t let them - that’s a special right! :rolleyes:

SPOOFE Bo Diddly wrote:

Oh, that’s sincere. From what I remember reading at the time, it was an apology for her poor choice of words. No one is asking her to change her mind, just to stop vilifying the gay community on the air.

Yue Han wrote:

Whoops! My error. I meant to say, “I have no reason to doubt that what they say is true.” I don’t know why I said didn’t. I guess I was thinking I couldn’t see why it wouldn’t be true. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Anti Pro wrote:

Perhaps, but letting her say such anti-gay comments is irresponsible television. As I’d mentioned before, Jimmy the Greek got pulled for making comments about the athletic prowess of blacks, and a disc jockey got pulled for making jokes about pulling someone behind a truck, so I don’t see why her comments should be seen as any less irresponsible. If anything, they’re letting her stay on the air because she’s cloaked in the air of a “professional.”

Mojo wrote:

Uh, no, I don’t think I’ll be buying “The Dr. Laura Game” any time soon. :smiley:

Esprix

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I just don’t think you need to call her a hypocrite. Delusional, yes. Egotistical, yes. Shrill, obnoxious, and annoying, yes. But not really a hypocrite.

After all, it’s an insult to all hypocrites everywhere :smiley: