Hillary Clinton is responsible for the 'Obama is a Muslim' smear.

No one has come forward to state who actually started this smear campaign but the evidence is overwhelming that it originated in the Clinton campaign in 2007, and the counter-evidence is non-existent.

I first heard of this from a politically well connected co-worker who was a strong advocate for Hillary Clinton. It started well before the Iowa caucuses when no one thought Barack Obama would win the necessary delegates in the primaries or the convention to become the Democratic Party presidential candidate. This under-handed approach that attempted to tarnish Obama and all Muslim Americans only benefitted Hillary Clinton. The mantra was already clear before the primaries began, Barack Obama was a nice and ‘articulate black man’ who could not possibly win the general election because he was ‘black’ and the voters would not vote for him in the primaries knowing he couldn’t possibly become president. In the mean time in the Clinton campaign he was considered an interloper who was taking campaign funding away from Hillary. No one but Clinton benefitted from this nonsense, and the Republican party wanted only for Obama to succeed as a slap to Clinton, weakening her in the general election which they were sure she would still win. The idea of Barack Obama becoming the Democratic candidate was a wet dream for the GOP because like everyone else the assumption was that a ‘black’ candidate could not win in the general.

Whoever started this evil rumor doesn’t matter, it was not directly denied by Clinton herself. One might consider that a clever tactic for a candidate to use, but I consider it the kind of tactic Trump would use, not clever, but bigoted and racist. The rumor did start from Clinton supporters because it benefited no one but Clinton and her lack of a forceful denial of the claim, the best I recall her saying was a left-handed comment “As far as I know Obama is a Christian” with no denouncement of the anti-Muslim sentiment behind it. Whether or not Hillary herself made it up to start with, no matter if it was an official member of her campaign, she knew it was false and yet a benefit to her campaign and her failure to counter it means she is responsible for it, responsibility she would assume if she actually had any leadership characteristics or any character at all.

In another thread I was presented with utter nonsense posing as counter-evidence, yet it was nothing but a debunking of statements made by Trump many years after the fact that had nothing to do with the ‘Obama is a Muslim’ concept, but instead the claim that Clinton started Birtherism, something patently untrue, and that I did not say. The closest thing to a denial of Hillary’s responsibility is the false claim by some guy on the internet that there was no evidence that it did start in the Clinton campaign, despite the obvious circumstantial evidence that it benefited only Hillary and started at a time when she needed it most with the Iowa caucuses suddenly up for grabs and Obama obtaining new campaign funding and increasing his popularity among the Democratic votes. And in addition he states the actual evidence that the Chair of the Clinton Campaign in Jones County Iowa as passing this rumor around to other Democrats as early as November 2007. And if that is not enough there is also an unverified claim from Joe Scarborough that ‘Obama is a Muslim’ started wi`thin the Clinton campaign. Thay one may not be proof but there is no way to disprove it and it is further evidence, contrary to the claim that no such evidence existed.

Further, this attack on a fellow Democratic candidate did become the pre-cursor to the rise of Birtherism Bullshit. Not the origin of it, but priming the pump for attacks on Obama’s status as an American, not to mention encompassing the anti-Muslim bigotry that Hillary is responsible for. The anti-Obama forces were given a template for how to accomplish through lies what they could not do at the polls. The fact that Donald Trump lied about Hillary starting Birtherism is irrelevant though, his nonsense started after Obama was president and debunking of his claims is just a way to distract from Hillary’s own culpability.

So as long as no one can counter the evidence that Hillary is responsible for the ‘Obama is a Muslim’ smear a rational person would conclude that all the existing evidence points at Hillary’s campaign, and there is not shred of evidence in opposition.

Your thesis is basically “this rumour must have been started by Clinton, because it benefitted only Clinton”.

But this is nonsense; it benefitted Islamophobes, and those who seek to gain advantage by stoking Islamophobia.

As for her failure to counter it, “As far as I know, Obama is a Christian” looks like a fairly direct counter to me. The only person who could authoritatively state that Obama is a Christian is, of course, Obama; I think Clinton pretty well had to qualify her statement in the way she did. And while we might reasonably discuss whether she should also have taken that opportunity to name and denounce Islamophobia, there’s a huge gap between that and being responsible for the Obama-Muslim smear in the first place. Wouldn’t the logic of your position here be that everyone who failed to denounce Islamophobia in this context is equally responsible for the Obama-Muslim smear? Including, IIRC, Obama himself?

Well, that does it! I’m not voting for Hillary this November.

As I pointed out in the other thread, Politifact says this rumor is false.

All your smear job on Clinton seems to lack is “but…but…but… her emails!”

Your cite does nothing but provide evidence that Clinton was behind it and then comes to the erroneous conclusion that she wasn’t. It may as well have come out of Fox News. All of the evidence points to the Clinton campaign, no evidence counters that.

As for the emails, it’s just another attempt to distract from the issue, this has nothing to do with emails that were deleted years later. 10 years ago, before emails, before Birtherism, before Benagazi, I saw the Hillary was behind this. Stop pretending you have any evidence to support your position, you have none.

Sure, the world is full of pro-Clinton Islamophobes. Our local chapter meets in your imagination every week.

Obama is the one person who is absolutely not responsible. I spoke up at the time, right when I first heard this, to the person I heard it from. Anyone who didn’t denounce it is responsible though, but still not someone who benefited from it the way Hillary did.

And yet you seem to be left without any direct evidence other than “she benefited from the rumor.”

At least I have some evidence.

Are you familiar with the concept that to respond to a claim is to legitimize it?

No, because that concept is another distraction, and nonsensical. If it applies here, it would only apply to Barack Obama, not the person making the false claim. I am familiar with the concept that failure to stand up for the truth and to denounce those who use racism and bigotry as a campaign tactic legitimizes false claims.

So, no.

If you are trying to say that a person should bother to deny a lie about them because it adds legitimacy to that lie then you are being absurd because it is Hillary who is the liar here. That only provides a reason for Obama not bothering to deny it.

If you don’t have any evidence that Hillary isn’t responsible for this racist and bigoted smear then don’t try to provide more distractions, just say you still don’t believe it, just like the way Trump supporters treat the evidence of his wrong-doing.

If you’re going to claim that the Clinton campaign was the source, then first you have to argue that there was a source. I’d be highly surprised if there were one single source.

Barack Obama (or Barack Hussein Obama, if you prefer) has an Arabic name. That’s obvious to everyone. The significant majority of people with Arabic names are Muslim. The simple conclusion is that Obama was probably a Muslim. Well, simple, at least, for anyone who didn’t bother to do any research at all, and who thought that it actually mattered. And there are millions of people in the US who meet those two criteria. And yes, there are probably some among those millions who supported or even campaigned for Clinton, but there are a lot more who don’t. Couple this with the large number of Republicans who claimed to be Clinton supporters (the so-called PUMAs), and I’d be inclined to suspect, given any given person making the claim that Obama was a Muslim and that they were a Clinton supporter, that they probably weren’t actually.

Angry, xenophobic white christians are responsible for the smear.

Even if you could prove Hillary’s camp started it, and so far all research I’ve seen doesn’t support that claim, it doesn’t change the fact that without tens of millions of angry, xenophobic white christians, this rumor never would’ve gotten off the ground.

I think that assertion is the biggest load of crap since Paul Bunyon’s ox took his last dump. That whole angle has been pushed by the Republican Right for years and, in fact, was part of Roseanne’s demise: “Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj.” To suddenly launch a campaign in an effort to lay it on Clinton is just another example of what scum those people really are.

I’m not sure if there was one single source, but records seem to say that an Illinois state politician started the rumor in 2004.

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563

had it not been him, someone else would have started the rumor. Obama is a black democrat with an ethnic name and much of his opposition is angry, xenophobic white christians. It was only a matter of time until someone started this rumor.

It’s just one of those things that could have popped up in multiple places at the same time to me. I don’t know who did it, or care who did it, but it seems kind of obvious to me that at some point it was going to happen, given the attitude towards Muslims in some/much of America and because his fricking name is Barack Hussein Obama. I mean, just look at that name, and if you’re the type who is suspicious of Muslims, how would you not be suspicious of him based alone on his name? I don’t think this rumor has a single genesis.

BobLibDem’s cite seems to refute the OP, so I’m not seeing where the claim has any merit. However, this is nonsense as a refuting argument:

You know, I’ve been wondering why all those Republicans sit back and don’t respond to all the outrageous claims and lies that come out of the Trump administration. Thanks for offering an explanation. Ignorance fought!

You’re not quite getting the part about them being on his side, dependent on the same base, vs. letting your political opponents define the topics of discussion in a campaign. So, keep fighting.

Oh, you must be right. I forgot that Hillary was backing Obama as the candidate during the primaries.