My sources tell me that at the first debate Trump will pull out a magnet and challenge her to place it against her skin. If it sticks, we will know. :eek::eek::eek:
you’ve seen that?
:eek:
A word: aluminum.
The point is Hillary already had a history of not being ‘honest’ and she tried to pass her cough off as having allergy when she has pneumonia ! She can’t afford to be lying when so many people already think she is a liar ! It would had looked a lot better if she came out and said had pneumonia instead of having people making assumptions about her health . Now people are saying she has Parkinson too !
Nope. If it’s a word it’s “One word: plastics.”
Anyway I suspect that she, like many of us who feel committed to our work, denied to herself that it was more than allergies until it got worse.
Truth be told announcing it on the eve before 9-11 commemorations would have gotten her blasted as well. No best response only less poor ones.
Uh, you do know the allergy thing was a joke, right?
Eh. Just be honest. That’s almost always he best policy. She could still have attended even if she said something about the diagnosis.
I’m not sure that there was any obligation on her part to make some big announcement between Friday evening and Sunday morning that she had a routine short term illness and was prescribed some antibiotics and rest. It shouldn’t be any factor in even a week, much less by the time she is President.
Before Friday, as far as we know, it *was *allergies, as far as she knew. A long bout of allergy or otherwise related coughing could be the cause of finally getting pneumonia, I think. (some of our medicos can clarify if I’m wrong) So it looks to me like she had allergies, coughed a lot, didn’t rest eat or drink enough and her allergy-inflamed lungs finally got infected.
Like others have said once she was there, and started feeling sick, there was no good way to handle it. If she had sat down in the midst of that most solemn memorial with everyone else standing and had aides fanning her and giving her water can you imagine what her opposition could do with that image? She had to wait until she literally was about to keel over and almost, but not quite, made a quiet exit without disrupting the ceremony.
Hell I might pass out just from having to stand for an hour and a half in the sun listening to speeches drone on, she just did 2 fundraisers a national security meeting and a press conference before hand. (her reduced schedule…)
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Let us suppose, for a moment, that everything we have ever heard about Hillary Clinton’s health is true.
Well, you see, this is what you get when you have a highly secretive and press averse candidate who tries to hide everything about herself from public view. If she were more forthcoming with her ailments and with her health records it would put the lie (or mistaken presumption) about all these things to rest. Don’t blame the speculators when clues and symptoms all they have to work with.
If she had announced that she was sick, while still attending the ceremony, she would have been accused of trying to upstage the 9/11 victims and survivors and of trying to garner undue sympathy and make the event all about her.
Then she probably WOULD have made it through without incident. The new narrative would have been that she really wasn’t sick, everyone would be analyzing photos and videos for “proof” that she was faking her illness because she’s such a liar and can’t bear not be center stage.
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TL:DR If people are lying about you, its totally your fault.
Hmmm… this makes me wonder. If, in the future, we have a female presidential candidate who is NOT post-menopausal (i.e., she’s still menstruating), will she be expected to announce every month when she has her period? And if she conceals this, will she be accused of lying and hiding things that the public has a right to know?
I’m guessing that’s a possibility.
I don’t know, but I’d much rather know about that than every time Trump gets a festering boil on his ass lanced.
But if she declares war on anyone that week we would have to seriously review her rationale. (I kid!)
Oh for fuck’s sake. The coughing fit was early last week, before she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, as has been said multiple times. Since she suffers from seasonal allergies, she assumed it was the reason for the coughing jag.
Despite having a temporary illness she powered through and did what she felt obligated to do. And this is, apparently, a horrible crime.
Clinton’s the one who hides things even though Trump hasn’t released his tax records or anything resembling a proper medical record. Jesus, the hypocrisy is so blindingly obvious.
Not so much lying as speculating on the evidence, I’d say.
I would think that a ‘post-menopausal candidate’ who didn’t have in her recent history a deep-vein thrombosis, a concussion requiring six months of rehabilitation and special glasses to deal with double vision, a nagging and until recently unexplained cough (with one of the first of the two explanations given - i.e., allergies every Labor Day - being a lie), and the inability to withstand more than an hour and a half in low eighties heat when her older opponent sails through unbothered, then I’d agree that without specific cause for concern she shouldn’t have to release her health records ‘every month’. In Hillary’s case, her health records are perfectly germane and appropriate. People have a right to know if she’s going to pass out from the heat and bonk her head while headed to greet Putin on the tarmac. (To bonk her head yet again, that is. What was the cause the first time? You know, the one that led to the concussion? I forget.)
Anyway, it’s perfectly reasonable to look at all this stuff and question the state of Hillary Clinton’s health. It’s also reasonable to look at it simply because of her age. Same with Trump also. When politicians are pushing 70 or are already there it’s important that if they’re going to be elected they will be able to handle the rigors of the job and most likely live out the term in office they’ve been elected to.
Wowsers!
Merkins are seeking a man of steel and get served up a woman of ABS?
Armageddon is indeed nigh!
So, how’s her chosen strategy working out for her? Not so good.
When your biggest problem is that people don’t trust you, best not to lie and confirm that perception. YMMV.
If having a period is a disease, then yes. Is it?
Remember when H.W. Bush puked on the Prime Minister of Japan? Same kind of thing. Sometimes you just get suddenly, acutely sick without there being any major health problems or grand conspiracies.
Both candidates are older, but not too old in comparison to any other Presidents before Obama. Both display unusual vigor and stamina in their day to day lives and have for their entire lives. Anyone could keel over at 50.
Unlike Trump though, Clinton’s doctor has released a plausible, legitimate, medical-like, statement about her health and didn’t seem to be trying to downplay anything in her medical history. She believes none of it affects her fitness to serve.
FWIW I do suspect she has postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) made worse by the fact that her baseline blood pressure is on the very low normal side.
Standing upright for a prolonged period of time, especially when otherwise ill or mildly dehydrated, commonly causes fainting in this syndrome.
She tried to tough it through a pneumonia without letting it slow down her schedule at all, declined to share it for a variety of reasons (the optics of drawing attention to herself on the eve of 9-11 or the optics of happening to have an acute illness when there is an ongoing disinformation campaign going on about your health and possibly other reasons too). 20-20 retroscopic vision not the best choice. Honestly though if I had been in her position it would have been the call I would have made too.
Meanwhile I doubt anyone thinks that any politician would volunteer that they have an acute illness in the context she was in. Does that play into her narrative as someone who is less than completely honest? Of course. But that perception is, I think, already baked into her numbers. It also plays into the narrative that she is willing to work hard and push herself, maybe harder than she should, in pursuit of what she thinks is important.