Well the one thing that has been clearly demonstrated by Sanders’ gains against the Republicans is that Hillary isn’t the only electable one any more. All the Democrats who have been sure they would have to hold their noses and vote for Hillary now have the option of breathing in the clean, fresh air of progressivism and voting for Bernie. And if you STILL think you are going to vote for Hillary … maybe you aren’t really a progressive … or a Democrat …
No true Scotsman would vote for Hillary.
yes, things would be so much better if Romney would have won:
“Clinton-esque” in the sense that it’s the kind of thing we have come to expect from America’s First Family of Falsehoods. Clearly false, everybody knows it’s false, but she repeats it knowing that she won’t get called on it.
A Republican says it, the Usual Suspects go into fits denying it. Chelsea says it, and the SDMB hamsters labor under the efforts to change the subject.
At least her mother is letting us know which of her pledges aren’t really pledges and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Regards,
Shodan
I find these people who consider folks who are pro-Hillary aren’t true Democrats to be fascinating. I mean if the Republicans had front runners who had Hillary-type positions they’d probably have won in 2012 (well, I guess aside from difficulties in convincing voters to vote for a candidate who had positions that were the same as President Obama’s).
Can I get the cite on that quote? It’s not that I disbelieve you, it’s that I’d like to see other delicious ironies in the article.
One of the reasons why I’m still more of a Clinton supporter than a Sanders one is I don’t know how Sanders will be able to fight the GOP machine that’s developed over the course of Obama’s presidency. I’m much more closely aligned with Sanders’ values than Clinton’s, but I see Clinton as being full of piss and vinegar and willing to play dirty to fight against the GOP. I cannot count on that with Sanders.
There’s been some anti-Clinton sentiment from Democrats ever since she decided to go negative on Sanders and use more hardball tactics. I see that is what we need against the GOP and I know they’ll give her plenty of ammo to do it. Sanders is running a great campaign for a Democratic primary, we shouldn’t attack each other, but against the GOP? I see him maybe getting steamrolled as president. Even Obama, brilliant campaigner as he was, expected too much from the GOP and was a little overwhelmed when he first got into office. It took years for him to adjust to the new reality that the GOP isn’t a loyal opposition and more like petulant children
I feel that Sanders might make the same mistake. Clinton, having been attacked for decades, being willing to fight dirty, will not. I’m more confident that Clinton will get more liberal things done in office despite being less liberal than someone like Sanders who is more liberal but possibly less able to fend off GOP attacks. I’m a big supporter of both of them though, I will be equally excited at whoever comes out of the primary and will support them vigorously. The difference is, if Clinton wins, I’ll be gloating at her inevitable triumph for months and if Sanders wins, I’ll be nervous and jittery until the day after the election.
Weirdly, I’m the exact opposite of you. I see Bernie as the kind of person who gets things done, and his record indicates that. Add in that he’s not beholden to anyone and it really opens the possibilities of what he might change. I fear that Hillary will do just enough to end up disappointing everyone without upsetting anyone (especially Wall St.).
This is a common belief. What are examples of Hillary fighting dirty against Republicans?
4 years ago
Romney promises to bring unemployment down to 6%
Newt Gingrich also promised that Republican policies were needed to get gas prices under $2.50:
Here’swhere I got it, they link to the actual quotes.
No true Scotsman COULD vote for Hillary, being ineligible to vote in a US Presidential election.
If Hillary loses New Hampshire and Iowa big time, I would expect Biden to get back into the race. Presumably, that’s what’s behind his recent “I regret it every day” remarks.
Thanks. I did indeed get more juicy ironies.
Well, when your viewpoint doesn’t align with your base, as Hillary’s often do not … and yet, you support Hillary … maybe you aren’t in line with the Democratic base, either. Feel free to CALL yourself a Democrat all you want, however.
Ultimately the DNC decides and they have already chosen Hillary.
Nonsense. He’ll simply become a powerful Sanders supported.
Who the hell are you talking about? :rolleyes:
The DNC decides, but they try to make informed decisions.
The name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz doesn’t exactly strike fear into anyone’s heart, other than the fear that she will screw up whatever opportunity the party has this cycle to capitalize on a Trump or Cruz nomination.
There are 2 things that I take into account that may affect Sanders as president. First, anything he’s done in the past was with a more cordial congress, where people aren’t taking bribes or opposing things just because the opposition supports them. I don’t know if Sanders, given his more congenial disposition, has the ability to fight back as hard as someone like Clinton who’s pretty much been in the trenches for the last 2 decades.
And second, doing things as a senator or house rep. is a lot different. There, you put your name on a bill or you sign on to other bills. You’re one face in a crowd of many. As president, you have to lead, and when Congress doesn’t do what you want, you have to pull and push. Sanders might be able to do that, I don’t know. But I know Clinton can do it.
And sure, she might just do enough to still be able to call herself liberal, but if I believe Sanders wouldn’t be able to do anything at all, I’d rather settle for Clinton.
Not just against Republicans. As I said, I don’t like how she’s attacked Sanders in the primaries, but that kind of dirty fighting is what we need against the GOP. She doesn’t remain positive when her opponent does. She’s willing to go negative and do it early. Recently she’s said Sanders is against the ACA when she really means that, like many Americans, the ACA is a flawed middle step towards universal health care, but she omitted that last part. Some of her supporters, not her campaign itself, first looked into Obama’s birth certificate issue and the GOP ran with it. And this was when she was campaigning against Democrats. Imagine how much fun she’ll be campaigning against Trump.
As for examples, she hasn’t had to run much against the GOP, so I don’t have examples off hand. Her role as SOS is also not one where she has to do much campaigning to get re-elected. But it would be foolish to assume that she can’t or won’t use her bag of tricks against any GOP who crosses her.