Horrible Hetero Habits?

Factual Questions
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Lawrence said: “There are a few groups that it is still acceptable to make fun of in the US today. The most common example, of course, is working-class white men (AKA rednecks, greasers, white trash, trailer trash). Of course, you’ll find as many decent, friendly, intelligent working-class white men as you’ll find among any other group of people. But it’s OK to make fun of them as a group.”

first of all, The Voice was using satire, for crying out loud. Second of all, before you start in with the “reverse racism/sexism” bit, go back up and read the post. The Voice used both male and female figures in her parody.
Lawrence said: “Of course, their ancestors were the guys at Guadalcanal and Normandy. Not that that matters or anything.”

What the heck does that have to do with anything? The ancestors of white males aren’t the only ones who fought in these and other wars. I don’t quite understand what your point was.

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[[Heterosexual’s should stop complaining about ugly Lesbian’s unless they stop breeding them!-- Rita Mae Brown]]

I am quite certain that Ms Rita didn’t misuse apostrophes like that, however!

Voice, I’m pretty sure I’m not gay, but now I don’t wanna be hetero, either. What am I supposed to do with THIS confused orientation?

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JillGat, you could be omni-sexual. With the right amount of alcohol, EVERYONE’S cute!

“When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.”
Hunter Thompson

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, usually fat.
It’s those fries that come with all dinners. And the fact the average American never walks any farther than from thr parking lot to the mall, theater etc. Plus, you probably wouldn’t know this, once you have kids, your time for exercise is limited. The kids get older, then the parents have given up on exercise. They think they deserve the rest.

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Did anyone notice that ‘Het’ is the same as using the N word, but for straight people instead?

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gotta love those sweeping overgeneralizations

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Can’t believe that some people missed the satire in the original post. A very well done, shoe-on-the-other-foot kind of thing. Should have been obvious to everyone.

I have only one slight objection to it, and it’s more of an observation, really. The Voice was doing a take-off on how certain visible characteristics of some members of a group become stereotypes that are attributed (erroneously) to all members of a group. Point well taken. However, in the case of predominantly gay communities (say in West Hollywood, for example)at least some of the so-called stereotypes are intentionally encouraged by the members of the group as a way of defining themselves as part of a sub-culture.

In other words, I don’t think many heterosexual intentionally get “big beer bel-lies” in order to define themselves as heterosexuals, but at least some homosexuals adopt the mannerisms, style, lingo or whatever in order to proclaim who and what they are.

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I think y’all just done missed the point on what I said. I understood very clearly that the Voice was speaking parodically. You’d have to be an idiot to have missed that, which I am not. I think. My point was that she was making fun of working-class white guys (NOT middle-class white guys) and that this was, first, classist, and second, something she would not have dared to do if the target were any other group. You go back to her original post and substitute “nigger” or “kike” or “spick” or “fag” for “het” or any other words she used to describe us trashy white folks. She would not have dared to write anything as obviously hateful as the parody she posted about any of those people, because she would have been kicked off this Board, and rightfully so. Hate speech is wrong, whether directed at some folks…or at others.

Before anyone gets mad at me for having used ethnic and homophobic slurs in my last post, let me make it clear that they were used as examples. I don’t like those words any more than you do, and I get a feeling that heterophobic slurs have recently been invented.

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So it was written “parodically” or what was that word? But it all seemed so real…

It was like reading Tales of the City, but all backward…

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Well I hope the Voice doesn’t get mad at me here…I’m straight and I have many gay friends male and female. Not to try and be cool but because they are people just like everyone else and they are nice people. Hey, my mother is gay and so is her girlfriend. You know who you should be yelling at, G Gordon Liddy. He was ranting about how gay people shouldn’t be allowed to be married. He said “lesbo’s and homo’s, two women or two men, that’s not a marriage”…well that pissed me off. People like him will never change so we just have to make sure we don’t raise anymore of them and they will die out…we can hope…

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Lawrence Says:
I have plenty of graves to visit and several family war horror stories that I have heard myself, Voice. So come off this “How dare you” crap. My point is that you are living happily and free in a country in which you can do whatever you want. If all you have to put up with is occasional ignorant dissing by a few people on the Message Boards (and since you spend so much time posting here, you must not have any significant battles to fight elsewhere)My other point is that those working class white men in the US Army undoubtedly saved the lives of many people in those concentration camps wearing those pink triangles. Not to mention the comfortable present-day life that all of us have. Trust me, if it hadn’t been for those guys, life on Castro St. would undoubtedly be quite different now.*************
Repeating what I said before, The Voice has no problem making fun of working-class white men because she hates them. She would never treat people who it’s not politically correct to make fun of in the same way.

Lawrence…Larry. Larri, Perhaps…This is going to take all of La Voce’s patience…A-Hem…If, as you state I “post so often” because I have nothing to do…YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR! I am 40, worked in advertising and made MILLIONS & MILLIONS!!! Hahahahah! I am enjoying the summer, lolling in the sun, steaks on the grill, theatre, parties on my boat and resting up for my trip to Europe in the fall…Damn, an entire year in a Villa in Vincenza…with a month or so in the UK, and a few side trips to Paris, Switzerland, Belgium…Not bad for a Lesbian, Feminist, Radical, Politically Correct, born in the projects, daughter of a “working class hero” Granddaughter of poor immigrants who built this country working incoal mines and factories, and the afore mentioned DEAD RELATIVES…You forget to Kiss the Gay Male Veterans Of Foreign Wars for me, Stinky! You also forget to mention that GAY MALE VETERANS also LIBERATED the camps.You, my little fellow, are jealous! Imagine moi! Never having to do a thing I don’t want to do ever again. Well, I thank all the smelly, ignorant, boring, frustrated, blame their problems on everyone else Hetero Males you are so enamored of. I can also tell by your response that you nor anyone you know has ever been close to a war.“Stories you’ve heard yourself”-- Poor dear, Live through them and then tell me. So, I hope the “plenty of graves you have to visit” are some Gay veterans, or don’t they count? And, since you bring up Castro street, That WAS you! In the pink strapless, with the Picture hat and elbow length gloves I saw in the last Parade, wasn’t it! Fess up.! BTW-- Hate my Father? My Grandfather? My sisters? My Brother in law? They all work in factories. I suspect they enjoy it or are not willing to do what it takes to “enjoy” a white collar career, which you seem to think is all fun and games. THAT’S CLASSIST! You are such a bitter, bitter soul. I shall include you in my prayers. And if you don’t like being blue collar, Pick your self up by your bootstraps and make something of yourself! If I can emerge from the projects, contribute to My Church, My Charities (Broadway Cares-Equity Fights AIDS, is my fave…cend a check , won’t you dear?)retire at 39, give my mother fabulous gifts, vacations, buy my neice & nephew and My former girl friends’s kids everything they need…and a bunch they don’t…All the while being a (yuck) Lezzie, queer, Homo…Why, I should think that a strapping, white (hetero?) male like yourself would have the world at his smelly feet.Now, be on your way.And, if you don’t get the joke in the future, just ask. I will type slower.

You bring to mind a Dorothy Parker quote:

“You must admit that he is always kind to his inferiors.” friend of DP’s.
“Where does he find them?” ~~Dorothy Parker

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MC Says:
Okay anybody, I recall that most neutral studies done around the world had placed the percentage of population as actively homosexual at about 1%. What part of the math is bad? - MC
Voice Replies:
It is not a quantifiable amount. There are too many Bashers, too few rights, too much stigma for anyone to be open about this. additionally, My former partner was married to a man, to this day she defines herself as a Het…We even have a little saying because this behavior is so prevelant: “I’m not a Lesbian, My Girlfriend is”
Does MC stand for Mathematically challanged? - The Voice

      • Flimsy reasoning, Voice. I could also say that ten percent of the population is extraterrestrial aliens, because a few claim to be and the rest are too afraid to admit it. You couldn’t prove me wrong but it would still be a bullshit claim. I don’t doubt that lots of people you know are gay. I’d bet that Richard Speck knew lots of murderers, too. Around where I live, there are a few “gay” bars and hundreds of “straight” bars so that’s what I tend to base my assumptions on.
        I don’t doubt that lots of “straight” people have committed homosexual acts and/or have homosexual urges, but there’s no standard for “living the gay lifestyle” and when asked very few people will admit to doing so. Saying to yourselves “We are gay, and there must be many others like us” is merely wishful thinkng. You even say “it is not a quantifiable amount” so the percentage could be much less than 1%. - MC*******************

MC: Read my responses. I have never claimed a number. Not once. No 10%, 1%, 500 million …because it is NOT QUANTIFIABLE. People will not respond to this question, NOR if they do, WILL thay respond honestly.With so much to lose, over a matter that has NOTHING to do with one’s career, why would one answer a question no one has the right to ask??? And does it matter???
I know a lot of Heterosexual Males who read Porno , too. So must I assume that the MAJORITY of heterosexual Males reads PORNO?
Richard Speck? He was a HET. So, then. With your aahem, reasoning, that means only Hets are murderers? (Well, we all KNOW they are)
Procreation? With Lesbian couples bearing their own children through AI or having sex with a Gay Male Friend, and Gay males having a Lesbian bear children for them, the ‘procreation’ argument is moot, isn’t it??? You seem to think GAY/LESBIAN means sterile. Talk about flimsy. The ONLY flimsy thing about me is my nightgown. But thanks, it’s good to know there are Bright folks like you out there! I wonder how many???

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MC Says:
Okay anybody, I recall that most neutral studies done around the world had placed the percentage of population as actively homosexual at about 1%. What part of the math is bad? - MC
Voice Replies:
It is not a quantifiable amount. There are too many Bashers, too few rights, too much stigma for anyone to be open about this. additionally, My former partner was married to a man, to this day she defines herself as a Het…We even have a little saying because this behavior is so prevelant: “I’m not a Lesbian, My Girlfriend is”
Does MC stand for Mathematically challanged? - The Voice

      • Flimsy reasoning, Voice. I could also say that ten percent of the population is extraterrestrial aliens, because a few claim to be and the rest are too afraid to admit it. You couldn’t prove me wrong but it would still be a bullshit claim. I don’t doubt that lots of people you know are gay. I’d bet that Richard Speck knew lots of murderers, too. Around where I live, there are a few “gay” bars and hundreds of “straight” bars so that’s what I tend to base my assumptions on.
        I don’t doubt that lots of “straight” people have committed homosexual acts and/or have homosexual urges, but there’s no standard for “living the gay lifestyle” and when asked very few people will admit to doing so. Saying to yourselves “We are gay, and there must be many others like us” is merely wishful thinkng. You even say “it is not a quantifiable amount” so the percentage could be much less than 1%. - MC*******************

MC: Read my responses. I have never claimed a number. Not once. No 10%, 1%, 500 million …because it is NOT QUANTIFIABLE. People will not respond to this question, NOR if they do, WILL thay respond honestly.With so much to lose, over a matter that has NOTHING to do with one’s career, why would one answer a question no one has the right to ask??? And does it matter???
I know a lot of Heterosexual Males who read Porno , too. So must I assume that the MAJORITY of heterosexual Males reads PORNO?
Richard Speck? He was a HET. So, then. With your aahem, reasoning, that means only Hets are murderers? (Well, we all KNOW they are)
Procreation? With Lesbian couples bearing their own children through AI or having sex with a Gay Male Friend, and Gay males having a Lesbian bear children for them, the ‘procreation’ argument is moot, isn’t it??? You seem to think GAY/LESBIAN means sterile. Talk about flimsy. The ONLY flimsy thing about me is my nightgown. But thanks, it’s good to know there are Bright folks like you out there! I wonder how many???

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Spedrick Says: Well I hope the Voice doesn’t get mad at me here…I’m straight and I have many gay friends male and female. >>>>

Sped, I am not mad at anyone…I find it hard to comprehend the number of people who missed the point, treated it as if it was a bunch of facts about all heteros; some fool even managed to drag WWII into it! (He thinks that the “Ancestors” who fought there were all straight); then there is the odd guy who wants to count all the Gay People… I have never wanted to count Hets. So, you see, my original point holds: Why all this fascination…I never ever ask ones sexual orientation. I swear, when the Plumber shows up because a pipe broke, I don’t care what he enjoys in his bedroom. That’s all.Now, see how nice I am? Please, enjoy your day.

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Handy Says: Did anyone notice that ‘Het’ is the same as using the N word, but for straight people instead>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Oh, Handy. is not! “Breeder” is.I just say Het because I hate typing. Calling a male het, Mary is. Let’s get our epithets in order, here!

Kisses~~La Voce!

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JilGat Says: [[Heterosexual’s should stop complaining about ugly Lesbian’s unless they stop breeding them!-- Rita Mae Brown]]
I am quite certain that Ms Rita didn’t misuse apostrophes like that, however!>>>>>>
Voice Responds: You could also bet that Rita has better editors, than I do too! (smile) I also am qite sure I didn’t get it word for word, she said it about 15 years ago or so…
Speaking of RitaMae, I received an invitation to her Birthday Party, 7 or 8 years ago? I don’t remember…I couldn’t attend but the invitation was wonderful. A box, about the size of a pen. Open the box and inside was a candle, with a piece of paper rolled around it. The paper had the details about the party, it was a big fund raiser, and not to let Rita know that her surprise guest was Margot Kidder. It was a wonderful party…sorry I couldn’t attend.

Jil Continues:
Voice, I’m pretty sure I’m not gay, but now I don’t wanna be hetero, either. What am I supposed to do with THIS confused orientation?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Voice replies: Abstinence?
At any rate, not wanting to be Heterosexual simply shows good taste on your part.

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CF says: Can’t believe that some people missed the satire in the original post. A very well done, shoe-on-the-other-foot kind of thing. Should have been obvious to everyone.
I have only one slight objection to it, and it’s more of an observation, really. The Voice was doing a take-off on how certain visible characteristics of some members of a group become stereotypes that are attributed (erroneously) to all members of a group. Point well taken. However, in the case of predominantly gay communities (say in West Hollywood, for example)at least some of the so-called stereotypes are intentionally encouraged by the members of the group as a way of defining themselves as part of a sub-culture.

In other words, I don’t think many heterosexual intentionally get “big beer bel-lies” in order to define themselves as heterosexuals, but at least some homosexuals adopt the mannerisms, style, lingo or whatever in order to proclaim who and what they are.***********************************
Voice replies: Thank you for your support. You are correct, and that too was part of my point. All cultures have similar characteristics. Then among these cultures are subcultures, and even sub-subcultures. I would compare effeminate Gay males, who use a particular slang to …say Hetero Militia types who are a sub-subculture too, but have their own dress code, lingo etc… Also, I know of several Motorcycle groups, Gay Men…Who nobody would dream of calling fairies, or effeminate! Then, the Lesbian subcultures would have to include Dykes on Bikes, and the Ones that call themselves “Lipstick Lesbians”…One called me one once! I said , look, I am just a woman. I wear a bit of makeup to look a wee bit better. I wear nice clothing because I like them. I get my nails done because I think chipped nails look seedy…But, the truth is, stereotypes emerge from real similarities among groups. Only when the stereotype becomes the way of defining someone is it truly offensive. I am 1/2 Italian. I put Garlic on everything. I die if a day goes by without some type of macaroni or riso…But, does that mean you can call me a spaghetti twirling, garlic eating wop? Of course not. So, we are on the same beam…
Ciao, Caro
La Voce

By the way, look for this exchange in one of my favorite films: “Bunch of garlic eaters!” ~~~ That line is in “It’s A Wonderful Life”…Mr. Potter says it. God, when I was a kid I was so hurt by that!

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Lawrence says:
There are a few groups that it is still acceptable to make fun of in the US today. The most common example, of
course, is working-class white men (AKA rednecks, greasers, white trash, trailer trash). Of course, you’ll find as
many decent, friendly, intelligent working-class white men as you’ll find among any other group of people. But
it’s OK to make fun of them as a group. Of course, their ancestors were the guys at Guadalcanal and
Normandy. Not that that matters or anything.

Question to Voice: Are ** your ** people still being blocked from entering the country if they admit to being queer? And if so, should people like Lawrence still expect you to be thankful to veterans who fought for your limited freedom?

People often think that Nazis only killed Jews, when that list included Jews, Gypsies, Communists, Queers, Russians, children who were deformed, people who were insane, etc.

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Sunbear says: quote:
“Also, why are they so…well, unattractive?..” --voice
, usually fat.
It’s those fries that come with all dinners. And the fact the average American never walks any farther than from the parking lot to the mall, theater etc. Plus, you probably wouldn’t know this, once you have kids, your time for exercise is limited. The kids get older, then the parents have given up on exercise. They think they deserve the rest.
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Sunbear, I assure you. My former Girlfriend had two kids…one year apart and the youngest has a severe disability. I have driven through more McD’s, purchased more Happy Meals. (Once I was so tired I said to the lady : Two Chickie nuggets happy Meals…She said Do you mean Chicken Nuggets?) Anyway, I found then, that It kept me thin as a rail…I ran after these kids, never finished a meal…barely slept…And here I go again, with my niece who is two. She thinks I am a taller version of a two year old! I can bring her over, play games with her, sing till I am hoarse, play with her & The dog & my cats, keep her out of mischief, look up the Tubbies and the Big comfy Couch on the 'net for her (she calls the computer the DOT COM! (I say the URL’s aloud to her, she pushes the enter button)…buy out Toy’s R Us…all in one afternoon. Then as I bring her home, she’ll say: Wanna run around? Oh, well. You can never be too, rich or too thin, I suppose. So, the tired part, I understand…the fat part I have no sympathy for. (I don’t eat McD’s, nor do I allow my niece to. My Ex- was very lazy and would have given them a beer and popcorn if they stayed away from her. That’s one of the reasons she’s my ex. She would rather do anything than watch her kids…and I didn’t like they way she brought them up. Since I had no say, and she was in the closet, I felt it would hurt the kids to sue. There is standing on this, by the way.) Now, I just take the kids…without her. And It’s heaven…But Tiring!!!
Take care, dear
La Voce

Did you ever notice how a four year old will continue to discuss the color of a truck, long after your own interest in the subject has waned? ~~ Fran Liebowitz

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Read some of the posts most of them were nonsense but the one thing I did see and wondered about was the 99-1% ratio. Who has said that? What survey showed those statistics? I think there are a lot more gays around than even the people that are gay would admit to themselves. Let me give you all an example.

Lets say that tomorrow morning all the people that were gay or bi had skin that turned green at 11am.

There would be an awful lot of people walking around in “YOUR” city/town at 11 AM with green skin and you would be amazed at the type of people with green skin. You see the lesson is, that the way a person looks/acts is not what makes them gay.

They are gay period. If they are gay they did not choose the lifestyle they are that way and it cannot be changed. Some people that think they can change a person from being gay to being straight. Give yourself a shake if that is you because “you” need help. Gay people do not ask that staight people be turned to gay?

Be what you are, there is no blood test for “being gay” accept people and especially your children for what they are and support them and above all love them. And tell them no matter what they are or what they do you love them unconditionally.

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