It’s not a question of power.
Men are simply much less discriminating than women when it comes to sex; we’ll sleep with anything that moves, for the most part, and often with things that won’t move.
Ergo, if a female chooses an unlikely sexual partner, it follows that there’s a much higher likelihood that she was coerced or somehow fooled into sex. Men don’t require fooling.
I only ever found one teacher attractive when I grew up, and it was in middle school and I was 12 at the time. I was vaguely aware of what boobs were and I think if I had actually been propositioned by said teacher, I would have been confused as all hell. So yeah, at that age, sexual relations bad.
But the 22-year old teacher that slept with an 18-year old student? That’s a college senior seducing and sleeping with a college freshman, which I’m pretty sure happens on a regular basis. I’m glad that the only consequence that woman faced was being fired, which I can agree with.
I don’t know what to think of this.
On one hand, at that age, I’d have been really happy to have been banging a woman at all, much less ones that looked like that.
On the other, I had a college friend who got de-virginized by his female karate teacher, who was hot and several years older. It fucked him up but good. He didn’t brag or anything like that- I think there was some element of coercion or blackmail or something there. He also wasn’t nearly the horndog that you’d think a 19 year old guy would be, even when it was just about literally in his face.
What about a hot older *guy * makes him an “unlikely” sexual parter for a teenage girl? :dubious:
Do you really think that a guy who was as good looking as the women on that site would have to “fool” or “coerce” a sixteen year old girl into having sex with him? And if he doesn’t have to fool or coerce them, is it still wrong?
Also, the abyss looks into you.
During my stint as a TA, I had some awesomely cute girls as my students. Never did I do more than fantasize about fucking them, since that would be unethical.
That said, from 6th grade on, I would have been overjoyed if a hot teacher came on to me. There’s no logic here, and I don’t speak for everyone, but all the guys I know will echo this sentiment.
This sh*t about prison time for the women involved is FAR uglier than any perverse activities alleged to have occurred.
I’m torn on this issue. On one hand, when I was 13 or older, hell yeah I would have wanted a hot female teacher coming on to me and sexing me up. On the other hand, my son is going to be 13 this year and I would not want a hot female teacher coming on to him or even thinking about sexing him up. I don’t feel he is mature enough and that he could handle a relationship like that.
And when you were 13, your dad mght have felt the same way.
It’s one of those circle-of-life deals.
Ask any molestation, assault or rape victim – it’s way better when the perp is hawtttt.
Sigh. I remember definitely wanting that kind of attention from male teachers when I was in high school, and stupid. It still would have been skeezey and wrong if they’d done it, of course.
Well, George Takei lost his virginity to a counselor at his summer camp, and he considers it a very positive experience. Not saying it’s positive for all, but the counter-example proves that it’s not a black and white issue.
That’s it. I’m sorry, I certainly didn’t mean to insult you, DianaG. I think a good way of looking at it is to look at the difference between how easy it is for a gay man versus a straight man to “score.” I’m going on anecdotal evidence here but I’m pretty sure it’s easier for gay men to find willing sexual partners for totally casual sex than straight guys. There’s no such thing as a “straight bathhouse.” To pick up women, guys (usually) have to play “the game” and go through many socially-sanctioned and approved motions and convoluted dating rituals.
Guys like to fuck, a lot. It’s biology. And they’re less discriminating.
I think we had a gay poster here (Panache?) who said he had 2,000 sexual partners or something, and that such a situation was not uncommon at all during the 80s. Unless Gene Simmons or Ron Jeremy is secretly a Doper, I don’t think there’s any straight guy here who can make a similar claim.
Nothing. In my experience, though, women are generally likely to view sex as something that happens within the context of a relationship, or for the young and stupid, as a means to begin a relationship.
Men are much less likely to do so; the idea of no-strings-attached sex with Ms. Busty from homeroom would be a fantasy in and of itself. To most women, the idea of no-strings-attached sex with anyone, while a common fantasy, is not something they’d usually go through with absent lots of alcohol or a recent breakup or somesuch.
I don’t think even the ditziest high school junior genuinely believes that a relationship with a teacher is going to work out long term.
Obviously not all men are as we describe here, just as not all women are anti-“just sex”; I’d say a great majority are, though.
In college, my male and female friends, on average, probably had roughly equal numbers of one-night stands. The difference was if one of my male friends told me about it he’d be looking for a high-five and a verbal endorsement of his “game”; if a female friend told me about one she was usually looking for a shoulder to cry on for “being so stupid”.
Hey, you gotta learn sometime how to be emotionally devastated by a relationship. 
I don’t think a camp counselor is quite the authority figure that a teacher is, and that is one of the things that really bothers me about this. Did you even click on the link from the OP and scan the stories?
26 year-old Angela Comer fled the county with her lover, aged 14, and her 4year-old son.
39 year-old Mary Kay Letourneau started a sexual relationship with a 13 year-old student, got pregnant by him, and he’s now married to her.
23 year-old Pamela Smart seduced a 15 year-old boy. No strings, except she tried to get him to kill her husband.
Pamela Rogers Turner, aged 27, had an affair with a 13 year-old boy.
These kids get lumped in right along with the 17 & 18 year-olds, and every comment on the board says how lucky they are. If any victims shouldn’t happen to feel so lucky, I wonder if they would even try to say so.
Not only that, there are some studies that suggest that boys who are molested or abused by women are likely to become sexual predators themselves, mostly choosing female victims.
Uh… did you not read the thread? Or were they just sold out of narrow brushes? Several of us noted that the ones involving younger kids were a different story.
First of all, cite?
Secondly, there’s a shitload of gray area in the “molested and abused” catchall. I don’t think any of these cases qualify as molestation in any practical sense of the term.
Its cases like these that destroy any possible faith I have in the justice system. A justice system with so little common sense is frightening.
Yes, that is an often-commented aspect of cases of “molestation”; 12-to-14 is an entirely different ball o’wax from 16-to-18. But laws fix thresholds both as to ages and as to types of relationships that are licit - and public opinion can often be even harsher than the law. (In many jurisdictions, 16 IS legal age-of-consent; of course, there may be further prohibitions based on the student-teacher relation and being a "minor"for other legal purposes, but at least in those localities the state recognizes a difference.)
And hey, a lot of us smart-alecs humming along to Van Halen’s *Hot for Teacher * as we make our post, are at the same time thinking in the back of our minds, “hot in a tawdry way, yeah, but damn that’s a stupid thing to do!”
Judging from the evidence presented in the OP’s link, I conclude that the best prevention for teacher-student shenanigans would be to require the women to get short haircuts.
If that’s true, I think we can throw the “biology” argument out the window, and go straight to the “social conditioning” argument.
Women like to fuck too. We like it enough that we do it even though we know that someone, somewhere is going to insist that we’re either hopeless sluts or so very needy that we fuck strangers in the hopes of beginning a “relationship.”
You didn’t answer the second part of my question. If the 30 year old male teacher fucks the 16 year old female student, is *that * an unethical abuse of power?