why would it be out of line? it’s his game he gets to make the rules. and as near as i can tell it was more of a request than any type of santionable offense.
and your vote reasoning absolutely sucks the big one, btw.
Color added, since peeker seems to have failed to read the part where I answered his question. In the text he quoted. :smack:
Care to elaborate? Both why my reasoning sucks, and why you think scum lie in every post?
Maybe because if he’s Scum, he feels obligated to lie in every post?
Quoth Pleonast:
I think that by “assigning actions to players”, Wanderers means figuring out who did what, past tense, not who should do what in the future. Like, a vigilante might explain which kills were his, and why, and a doctor might say who he was protecting on a Night that there was no kill.
Another point: On re-reading, I noticed that Idle Thoughts claimed vanilla, and special ed posted several times after that without comment. But then, when [url=“http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13359323&postcount=188”]ushi claimed vanilla, ed’s very next post is threatening to bitchslap him for it. This despite the fact that, it seems to me, ushi had a lot better reason for claiming (shedding light on the “cool name = power role” hypothesis, compared to Idle’s no particular reason), and even if both claims were a bad idea, ushi being new can perhaps be forgiven for making the mistake (especially after an experienced player has already done so). The inconsistency troubles me: Why is ed criticizing behavior in ushi, while letting a worse example of the same behavior slide in Idle?
Vote special ed
ok, i’ll type slow so maybe you can comprehend. however, i feel that it may be futile. a mod can set up a game anyway he or she wants to. will it be to my liking, maybe - maybe not. but yaknow you play the cards you are dealt based on the “rules” of the game. if you don’t like them then why play. i mean if i go down to the corner and they are play 3 v 3 where it’s make and take and only offense gets to call fouls. i go bullshit and walk away. i certainly don’t get involved in the game and then bitch and moan about the ruleset. and that’s the fracking off putting thing. maha made a request about game conduct (at least that’s the way i read it). i think he even caviated it with that he wasn’t going to do anything about it. shit i have been cautioned by mods and board admins several times because of the way i play. i just walk away and leave it. so yeh, i’ve had plenty of folks tell me how to play. water off a duck baby, water off a duck.
NETA: That should read
By the way, speaking of NETA, let me mention that I personally do see editing as a valid reason to vote for someone. It’s not necessarily always the best reason, but it’s easy enough to avoid, and if nobody ever edits in the first place it’ll never be a problem.
and back at pleo. maybe “lie” is too strong a term. but as scum they certainly don’t make a post without some measure in it. and to some extent isn’t scums’ job to misdirect and mislead. so certainly a scum saying that the sun rises in the east is not “lying” but they sure as hell aren’t making that post out of the goodness of their heart and for the benefit of town. i mean they might be making a “true” statement but they are only doing it for the advancement of their cause. even when making a “not lie” they are doing it for ulterior motives.
yes but if that would be the case me lying about scum lying would mean that i am telling the truth which would mean that i am not lying and therefore can not be scum and am therefore telling the truth which would validate my town alignment.
Because bitchslapping Idle is not going to get him to not claim Vanilla.
It’s precisely because ushi is new may be able to learn that I called his attention to his behavior. (Granted, in my drunken stupor I violated my self-imposed mandate to be kinder and gentler.)
In summary, for ushi, I thought there might be some insight I could help impart. For Idle, I didn’t want to get dragged into a fruitless conversation about why what he did is poor.
I don’t believe I voted during any of that, so I don’t think ushi’s actions are worthy of voting him for it, but I do want him to stop giving away information to the Scum with no benefit to the Town. I’m surprised that you failed to notice that (or failed to comment on that, Chronos, or are you just trying to find some reason to vote and my bristly appraoch struck you as a safe place to park a vote?)
On a related note. Pleonast hasn’t claimed. This puzzles me.
peeker, you have this lovely habit of not actually reading what others wrote. You’ve completely missed what I said in my response to you. Let’s review:Pleo: comments about moderator statement and explains why.
peek: asks why Pleo made comment about moderator, then comments about mod too.
Pleo: points out that previous response answers why.
peek: comments about mod again, but still doesn’t acknowledge Pleo’s original “why” answer.Do you see what you’re missing?
Thank you for the explanation. I wouldn’t call a statement with an ulterior motive a lie, but it’s at least plausible that another could.
Your original statement still seems a lot like scum showing off by teasing town. My vote will stay on you, although it won’t take much to move it.
I’ve moved on to Zen WIFOM. 
But bitchslapping Idle might have gotten ushi not to claim.
And yes, ushi (and Idle, of course) did give the Scum a little bit of information that’s useful to them, and that’s bad, but he also gave Town a little bit of information that’s useful to us. This gets back to what I said earlier about Town not paralyzing itself: Town has to get information in order to win, and unfortunately there’s no way to give information just to Town without also giving it to Scum. If we get caught up on never giving Scum any information at all, then we’ll lose.
Now, it is still definitely possible to hurt Town, on net, by giving away too much information, or at the wrong time. If anyone else makes an unprovoked claim, I’ll probably join in on the bitchslapping. But I’m not actually convinced that ushi specifically hurt more than he helped.
I don’t see how you read what you did in those quotes.
I was saying, in the first, that I think it would be foolish to claim detective if one really is a detective.
If I were a detective, I wouldn’t claim detective on Day One, I would probably claim vanilla (if I made any claim at all).
So how does any of that equal = changing my story? :dubious:
GREAT! We’ve got useful information. Now let’s use it…
oh, wait, we can’t. At least not yet. But maybe Scum can, eh?
This information might be useful at some point after we have other information from death reveals, Night Actions, etc.
Of course, by then, we’d have the information from Night Actions and death reveals…
I read the first as saying “If I were not Vanilla, then it would be foolish for me to claim Vanilla”, especially because you added " Mostly all my Day One claims are when I’m vanilla". It seemed pretty clear you were emphasizing the fact that you are, indeed, Vanilla in this game.
Then you came back a little while later and basically said “…or maybe not :wink, wink:”
If you had added the disclaimer in the first post I wouldn’t have thought anything of it. But as it is, it seemed like you were thinking “I’m going to pretend I’m Vanilla”, and then later decided “I’m going to pretend I’m Town”…which are not quite the same thing.
It’s hardly an open-and-shut case, but for the moment I think it’s “good enough”.
**Vote Count:
Idlethoughts(1): Suburban Plankton
Peeker(1): Pleonast
Specialed(1): Chronos**
Does this mean you’re claiming to have no powers?
Sure we can. We could, for instance, use the information that a cool character name can be vanilla to conclude that there’s little downside to a name-claim. Of course, we might still decide otherwise, but at the very least, it’s a useful piece of information to consider, when making that decision.
I think we should say perhaps anyone wishing to make a full role claim should also include the name Mahaloth has assigned them.
This post may be a bit redundant though as if what I understand is correct it is customary to reveal the Mod’s PM when making a role claim?
Though a mass name claim at thsi time is out I still think some value should be assigned to name claims.
Not at all.
Are you implying that a Town Power might get use out of knowing who is Vanilla? I would grant that such a view point is accurate. However, a Twn power role would have no way of knowing if a person were telling the truth or not. They would have a good deal more wine to drink than the Scum would.
So, yeah, I guess there is some useful information there. But if it were truly useful, then all of the Vanilla would claim to ‘help out’ the Town powers.
Maybe you can conclude that because you trust ushi’s information. I, for one, have no way of knowing if he’s being honest or not.