Let’s look at your vote, in its (bleached) entirety:
Sorry, I don’t see a reason.
Yes, you later stated some reasons for that vote (whose particulars are additional points I am voting you for), but that doesn’t change the fact that that original vote does not have a reason.
It may come to your mind, but it certainly didn’t come to your post.
It’s not obvious because that’s a really dumb reason to vote for someone. We’re trying to lynch scum, not gits.
You voted for no explicit reason. Then you come back and say approximately “oh, I really meant the reason this other player used”. Repeating your spin doesn’t make it spin less.
Uh huh.
I think it likely ushi is a newbie player being railroaded by thin-skinned townies who’re scraping for reasons to justify their hurt egos and a scum or two who see an easy target. And I think your over-defensiveness about an anti-town vote you ex-post-facto justified puts you in the latter group.
Nope, just reiterating. I find it helpful to keep my votes and reasons for them all together.
Every time I catch up on thread and have something to say, somebody else has already said it. I don’t remember having such bad luck in LOTR mafia. Oh well! At least I’m in the same boat as Wolverine. Hope you guys don’t mind hearing me say things other people have already said.
I’m in absolute agreement with you. There’s nothing scummy at all about this, in my mind. As you note, a day 1 vote is almost always based heavily on a gut feeling. My day one vote in international mafia was based on what I considered a pretty solid gut feeling - and I was dead wrong, as I knew I could be. If somebody had suddenly subbed in for them in the middle of Day 1, I’m fairly certain I would have unvoted (just as Ushi did) to give him a chance to play. Besides, you can always revote for somebody later. The rest of the votes for him are defendable, but I just don’t see this issue.
While this post did not jump out at me, other posts by Oredigger have been pinging me throughout the game. Your analysis, however, is spot on.
This post is meaningless. He says there have been weird, or even bad plays, but says none of it is worth looking at. He repeats what we’re all thinking, and excuses what he admits is bad play by saying “well, they’re just looking for scum!” He concludes by saying he has nothing.
As you pointed out, there are all kinds of problems with saying something is “as good as it gets” and then refusing to vote. A further point: why does he want to give SCUBA a chance to answer? Scuba presumably won’t know why Suburban made his comments, making that addendum ridiculous. Does Oredigger believe both Scuba and Suburban are scum AND that Scuba will out this fact by admitting Suburban already knew from the scum boards? Seems odd.
Again, with all that’s happened in this thread, he manages to say nothing. He accepts Suburban’s plausible explanation without comment (admittedly, I do too). He admits the “finality” of Ushi getting lynched, but claims he has no read whatsoever on the situation. He also does not point the conversation in any meaningful direction. Another null post, perfect for pointing to when a town Ushi swings. (Note: I do not know if Ushi is town; however, I suspect it. For the sake of my case against Oredigger, I’m assuming he knows.)
Each sentence is a perfectly crafted nugget of emptiness. Sentence the first: I have nothing. Sentence the second: Man, this is tough! Sentence the third: Here’s maybe something I don’t feel like actually defending. Sentence the fourth: a vote! Sentence the fifth: look how hard I’m trying, guys!
It wasn’t obvious to me. I excel at missing the obvious. :: scifail ::
In #311, you voted for ushimi “just because.” It’s only in #388 that you explained yourself after I called you out. Moreover, both you and peeker voted for ushimi for his annoying and insulting attitude in #326, not because you found him Scummy. As Pleo noted, that smacks of retconning a vote.
There’s a sudden movement towards Oredigger that I want to look at. So I’ll have to revisit your position overNight. Plus I’d prefer not to make the late Day more of a clusterfisk than it might become.
General note: No discussion of ushimi’s claim? Normally there’s something.
Wolverine’s vote on Oredigger, despite his statement, is close to a “me too.” It’s closer to a vote of “you convinced me.” Which is better than peeker’s vote reason.
Oredigger’s posts so far:
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79 - OOG reply to Meeko about the game Haggle.
236 - Claims to be a “good guy” from a tiny canon. Doesn’t think a name claim would help. Briefly describes what a name claim is.
357 - Acknowledges there have been bad plays. Doesn’t think the plays have been anti-town.
441 - “first lead of the game.” In reply to Pleonast in #437 connecting Suburban Plankton’s reference to my use of Spivak pronouns with me subbing in, and Pleo wondering if Plankton and I have a Scum / Mason board. (Yes, Pleo openly thinks we’re talky masons. No, as far as I know nobody concurred with that.) No content, just waits for me or Plankton to reply.
461 - Replies to Plankton’s explanation in 449. Accepts the explanation.
489 - Votes for Pleo. His vote is analyzed by Astral Rejection in 522 and found wanting.
My assessment: Oredigger’s play is weak. His vote is about as empty as the ones for which I called out Idle and peeker. His contributions to discussion are minimal. If this was Day 3, I’d pursue Lynch the Lurker. As it’s Day 1, I’ll pursue Lynch the Weak Vote Reason for the third time Today.
unvote peekercpa vote Oredigger77
Added on preview: That puts the vote count at 5 for ushimi, 4 for Oredigger. If ushimi gets back I expect him to cast a defensive vote for Oredigger. But to save ushimi’s neck requires someone to break the tie in favor of wringing Oredigger’s neck.
By the way, what’s the acronym PIS? It doesn’t sound anything like WIFOM.
Probably meaningless stat: Post winner so far is peeker at 65, followed by Meeko at 56 and special ed at 51. Lurkers are Oredigger and MentalGuy at 8.
I didn’t remember the post in thread about scuba being our only sub nor the previous comments about the pronouns. With out that it does seem like a pretty good case of PIS. I think that any explanation without links in thread as to why he knew the Scuba was subbing in would not have satisfied me. without those post the explanation would have had to be something along the line of “I just guess who the sub would be” which would have caused me to vote.
It was a good lead without the in thread information but one that could be explained away so I figured I’d wait for an explanation. I don’t remember who pointed it out but the reason I added Scuba in there is he had an interest in countering the accusation since it included him as scum almost as much as it did Suburban, and I’ll note that Scuba did point out how Suburban could have know so he did answer.
There are lots of people who are easier targets then Pleo say someone who drives of a long time player with an angry screed and then takes shots at other long time players. If I was hunting easy targets Ushi, Peeker and Meeko would all be higher on my list then Pleo.
If there was anything I missed in the other cases against me I’ll be back shortly before the lynch, hopefully, and I’ll answer them then.
Because I’m not hunting easy targets to start a band wagon I’m going off of what I think the best case is. Are you just voting for the person you think will be easiest to lynch? Seriously how do you even get to this thought?
I’d still like to know why you thought Scuba would be able to answer for Suburban’s comments. Did you think they were scum? Why would they reveal that to you? Did you think they were masons? Why would you consider voting SP then?
Not just a poor case… a poor case that directly contradicted what you said less than a page before. In other words, you liked Pleonast’s case enough to call it a significant lead, and then suddenly turned around and used it as the basis for voting for him.
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After seeing it work in other games I’m going to go with those that point out PIS are prone to be scum, so . . .{votes Pleo}
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Let me make sure I’ve got this right: You vote for Pleo because Pleo accused someone else (probably Plankton) of having perfect information. And you openly admit it’s a weak case. Yes?
Well, I’m not going to the gym at lunch so I might as well stick around and defend myself.
Yes, before all of the facts were in I though Pleo had found an example of scum PIS but I waited for all of the facts. Which then showed it was not PIS. From that and seeing how Drain’s theory has proven correct multiple times I figured that the person accusing PIS is a good place to hunt scum so I voted for Pleo.
And yet, for the balance of the Day so far, it’s looking like my best first day ever. Dare I say it, I don’t think I’ve had anyone vote for me today, nor have I felt forced to claim.
Shouldn’t be surprised at this though. After all, I only found my way into Mafia because of how cryptic I apparently am.
