How’s this for bothsidism: at least when a Trumpist stabs you, they do it from the front?
Far more pressure a larger number of Democrats so that other than occasional reports of dissatisfaction she does resign. She won’t even step down from the judiciary committee, she just wants a temporary replacement yet she can’t even travel to DC to participate now. It shouldn’t have to be done publicly either, the right people could talk to her now and find a way to close this out. This is very late in the game for the pressure to just be at the ‘increasing’ stage.
If the party can’t stand to criticize itself over it’s ability to successfully fend off the judgeship rigging, jerrymandering, and voter restricting Republicans then the situation will not improve. We are supposed to be the adults in the room.
Nowhere did I say that.
Not a straw man, exactly the question that needs to be answered. Do you think the Democratic party is effective? We can’t count on the Republicans to shoot themselves in the foot.
Nothing improves if we can’t even identify failures. Feinstein is certainly not the only drag on the party, but her situation has come to the forefront and how the party deals with it is important. Democrats were willing to pressure Al Franken to resign over bad jokes, shouldn’t we be working harder to get someone to resign when she can’t even go to work anymore? She’s not going to get magically healthier.
And how do you know it’s not? Your complaint is that you don’t see enough public pressure, but suggest that they use pressure in private, do you see how that doesn’t actually make any sense?
What is it that you actually want them to do? If she doesn’t want to resign, how do you propose they make her?
Her not stepping down from the committee and her seat is what is causing “judgeship rigging, jerrymandering, and voter restricting”?
We are, agreed. Which is why it is silly to concentrate your ire at Feinstein and the Democrats who have not somehow forced her to resign, rather than at those actually doing the judgeship rigging, jerrymandering, and voter restricting.
Your concentrating on Feinstein is exactly the sort of distraction they love to take advantage of. While you are calling for a circular firing squad, they are calling in an airstrike.
@TriPolar you could just admit that you went a bit far with your statement that “The cult of personality is as much of a cancer on the Democratic party as it is to the Republicans”. That is bothsidism, and is not really a statement that can be defended, hence why you haven’t tried.
Your other points I agree with: Democrats in general are far too soft, both in terms of calling out right-wing lies and hypocrisy, and in getting rid of people who don’t have any fight left in them.
I don’t know why you see my statement that way but I do not mean that the MAGAism and people defending Feinstein are the same thing, or that it is a cancer that has metastasized in the Democratic party the way it has in the Republican party. We can identify the problem and treat it.
Yes. And that doesn’t mean we need to employ the tactics of the other side to do it.
They’re calling in an airstrike, and your big complaint is that we’re being mean for pointing out that the people in charge of our air defense are asleep at the wheel.
The cult of personality of the Republicans caused Jan 6th. You are claiming that the cult of personality of the Democrats is keeping her in office. So, are you saying that it is as much a cancer on the Democratic party, as you just said?
If so, then you are making the equivalence between her staying in office and attempts at keeping Trump in office.
Do you want to clarify what you meant by your statement, if you are now saying that they are not the same?
Your earlier question was a strawman, as the Democrats have been effective for the two years that they had power. Less than I’d like them to have been, but that’s due to people like Sinema or Manchin, one of whom is no longer a Democrat, and the other that barely is.
Now that they don’t have the house, their effectiveness is substantially lower, but that’s not Feinstein’s fault. That’s the fault of voters who believed the message that both sides are the same, as well as the fault of those who keep sending that message.
I mean, they do, but that somehow makes them into martyrs.
I’d say that if the party does anything more than suggest that she step aside, then we’ve failed. Finding a way to force her out is extremely anti-democratic, she was voted into office. If I were one of her constituents and she was forced out by the Democrats, I’d have a hard time voting for her replacement.
That’s a bad example, as I think the Democrats overreacted in pressuring him out, and I think that he gave in to that pressure too easily. That was the sort of knee jerk reaction that I personally find to be one of the biggest faults of Democrats.
What, specifically, do you mean by working harder? I’m sure that they could probably work with the Republicans to expel her, is that what you mean? If not, what exactly do you think the Democrats should do to force her out?
You never know. My grandmother bounced back at 92 from cancer and lived another 6 years. She was active and fully competent until the end.
This, too, I wonder about.
Is it some sort of combination of magic words, phrases, and actions that will produce a desired result? Because that smacks of sovereign citizen lunacy.
Or perhaps some kind of decision by fiat via back office politicking? Because that sounds more than a little anti-democratic for somebody duly elected by the citizens of her state
Hmmm, no, that’s not even close. One of my complaints is that those on supposedly my side keep making shit up and misrepresenting what is said, just like you did in this post. I didn’t say anything about “being mean.”
And no one is pointing out anything like them being asleep behind the wheel. They are pointing at one person who is suffering health issues and thinks that they should be forced out for it. If she were replaced with a perfectly healthy 25 year old, they would be no more effective in that position.
I don’t get it, why do you do that? Do you really think that lying helps?
Hmmm, your cite doesn’t back up your claim.
Okay, so you do not think that “The cult of personality is as much of a cancer on the Democratic party as it is to the Republicans” Glad you cleared that up.
I misrepresented nothing. You’re pitching a fit because people aren’t being properly deferential to a useless lump of a senator. Correctly characterizing your tantrum in this thread isn’t dishonest, it’s just unflattering.
I’d kind of like to see Al Franken move to California, then have Feinstein retire and Governor Newsom appoint Franken to serve out her term.
And as long as I’m dreaming, I’d like a pony, and for the Dope to adopt standardized spelling of bothsidesism and gerrymandering.
Effective at what? Doing something about gun violence? Enforcing voting rights? Protecting reproductive rights? How about keeping Republicans who hate this country out of office? I’m only pointing at Feinstein because she’s in the news right now. I’m perfectly fine with going over each and every Democrat in office and evaluating them on their effectiveness. I think an awful lot of them will look bad but at least be alive long enough to learn and get better.
You didn’t ask, but also…
When Democrats get control they do the things you want them to do. You’re too busy nursing your Clinton hate boner to help us out with that.
Great stuff about Whitmer and Michigan. Couldn’t find a senator could you?
Why don’t you hate the people who brought Trump upon us?
What do you think I’m doing, dipshit?
The Americans that voted him into office? (And will again if given that choice?)
…I don’t have a “Clinton hate boner”, and what you’ve posted here doesn’t mean a lot, to be honest.
Because New York has a Democrat for Mayor, and a Democrat for Governor, and they are both pro-police, anti-bail reform, slashing budgets for social programmes, they are an absolute shit-show for Black and marginalised communities that live there.
There is no nationwide democrat strategy at play here. Nothing. Zero. Zilch. No strategy to combat abortion roll-backs. No strategy to protect trans people. No strategy to retake the courts. No unified mission or vision.
You are increasingly seeing the increased irrelevance of the Federal government. You are on the path to Balkanization, where it will be up to individual states to provide protection to its people, where people escaping from one-state-to-another becomes a very real thing. This is what your cite is showing.
Feinstein is just emblematic of this. Judges should absolutely be a priority for the Democrats right now. They should be ruthless here. This is entirely within their control.