(Hi.) I think that with USA out, things may become very nasty. The rest of Nato will do what they can.
My personal hit happened in his first term – I got hosed by his “tax cut”. (I lived in California, which meant I paid high property and state income taxes. Those used to be fully deductible. Now they’re not.)
In his second term I’ll only be as screwed as every other American, or freedom-loving people around the world.
As a non American who doesn’t even live in the USA, I am frankly terrified at the thought that Trump might be re-elected. It is beyond my comprehension how so many Americans can support such a character. Threatening to leave NATO, the Paris accord on the climate, etc. It should be pretty scary for pretty much the whole world, not just Americans.
I’m not sure about that. The markets may like the deregulation and tax cuts but they also like stability and free trade, both of which are in serious danger under a Trump presidency.
As for me personally, leaving aside the general malignancy that every American will experience. As a federal employee I may be more susceptible than most to the effects of project 2025. Fortunately fighting cancer is more bi-partisan than some other missions, so I may be spared the worst. Still revenge against Fauci and anyone associated with him might spill over to the entire NIH, and I fully expect to lose all of my shares in government patents which are a deemed corrupt by the project. Also since federal employees are regarded somewhat less highly than child molesters by the right, I also expect them to do everything in their power to make my work-life as unpleasant as possible.
Yeah, whether or not that’s true isn’t pertinent to the question that I answered, which is, how bad will it be for me if Trump wins? I gave two examples – one left, one right – and admitted they were superficial examples, to point out how it doesn’t matter at all who wins, in the context of the question.
FWIW, I’m taking my toys and going home, and not voting for any of the two major party assholes, because to me, it doesn’t matter who wins.
There’s no sarcasm there.
I am in Canada.
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Trump’s election is likely to cause economic handwringing as he promotes isolationist policies and complains about tariffs. Canada sells a lot of natural resources to the States and industries like auto making are highly integrated.
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Canada has long neglected its military to better fund social programs. Trump will reignite the sense that Canada cannot always depend on America with regard to military goals, although this might not actually be true, and Canada probably will talk rather than act.
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Trudeau is likely to lose the next federal election to a Conservative leader. So far, Poilievre has espoused mainstream ideas and repudiated extreme views. To be honest, I think he will continue to do so. He is not Trump. How he gets along with Trump is hard to say.
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Trump sucks up all the oxygen in the room and our media will clutch their pearls and report on his every banal utterance and shocking statement. This will be painful, but not nearly as bad as direct exposure. Weakening environmental laws, business and tax regulations and the role of institutions will cause much confusion.
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Government is too big and laws should be simpler and revised based on current needs, but laws protecting consumers and the environment are not the main offenders, though they might be the most affected under Trump. Social conservatism is unlikely to be reinvigorated in Canada, but it might be more discussed. Trump will lead to superiority dancing, smugness and lots of kvetching. The world will be more volatile, which could affect the economy.
I’d speculate that a second Trump term wouldn’t have too much of a bad effect on me directly as an individual. I’m an old straight white man with rural roots and a background in law enforcement; I know plenty of conservatives have wrongly assumed I’m one of them.
If Trump manages to get back in office, the magas will attack their usual targets and the leaders will take bribes and steal public money. But it probably won’t hit me.
That said, I would have predicted the same thing back in 2016 and I ended up losing three family members to covid. So Trump can harm you in ways you can’t predict.
As a fed and union official, I believe I will be targeted for removal, if not directly, but under Schedule F as Trump seeks to remove all civil service protections and turn federal jobs into loyalty positions to Trump.
I expect in the lead-up to the election, China and/or Russia will move on Taiwan, and/or NATO, respectively. Just enough to force Biden to act, throw it all into a tizzy, with a Trump “win” and the hostilities to stop. After the January 20, Trump will stand down America and allow China and/or Russia to continue.
I expect Trump and his Pavlovian lapdogs in Congress to begin dismantling Social Security, Medicare, and ACA. More so if all of Congress goes red.
I expect Trump to put the military on US streets and go after the “illegals” for immediate deportation (no due process) with a number of Americans caught up in this and actually deported (to where?) until some members of Congress realize the ramifications.
I expect Trump to go after his “enemies” be they in the media or even elected officials.
I expect far too many Americans will act like dumb frogs in the pot with the heat slowly being turned up and by the time they realize what’s happening, it will be too late.
Land of the Free and home of the Brave? Nope. To many Americans will do nothing about it. I expect the poem “First They Came …” will happen in America with a Trump presidency. Holocaust Memorial Day Trust | First They Came – by Pastor Martin Niemöller
Awesome post. Your fears mirror mine exactly.
As for my personal situation, it would become rather precarious under another Trump administration. My late husband and I were prudent, but he died, and that left me with a much more uncertain future. I’m healthy now and grateful for Medicare. But if that goes, I’ve seen people tragically ruined by medical bills. We’re all just one catastrophic health crisis away from it. If my health goes south, I’ll have some tough decisions to make.
I have a safe pension (not PERS or federal), but Social Security is also part of my retirement income. I have a mortgage I can currently pay comfortably on a property that’s worth a decent amount of money. If Trump is reelected, I may sell up and go visit relatives in Australia or New Zealand or friends in Europe. I know how hard it is to emigrate to any other country, but who knows? It may not be too late to marry a foreigner.
I won’t renounce my atheism and I’ve never been so glad to be child free. I would be ashamed for them to inherit the mess we’ve left.
I have friends in Europe and Canada, but I’m jealous of people who have family in other countries.
I wouldn’t be too jealous. It was almost impossible to emigrate to NZ or Aus 25 years ago unless you were married to a citizen – which my late husband was. He had duel citizenship and we could have gone either place.
Now, I’d actually have a better shot at France or Portugal. Not the sort of move I’m eager to contemplate at my age.
After the Supreme Court ruling today, I have to be concerned.
If the 2nd term Trump DOJ uses AI to scrape data off the internet, and determine who has posted what, I’d be concerned about Seal Team Six coming to visit. It just depends how far down Trump is going to tell the DOJ to dig.
I mean…the way you phrase it, this sounds more like a silver lining of a Trump victory than a downside. It would probably be a good thing for NATO if Canada started beefing up its military. It would be too bad that it took a Trump 2nd term to get this rolling, but it shouldn’t have been neglected.
But I digress, since this thread is about Trump’s effects on Dopers personally, not national/international overall effects.
I’m not quite following this back and forth about gay rights. Do we not understand that millions of our friends and family will have their fundamental rights threatened under a MAGA administration? Do we not see the attacks already made?
The same arguments apply to reproductive rights as well.
If you live outside the States, Trump’s international effects are the ones that affect you personally. It is true these effects are less dramatic and more nebulous than more direct exposure. Unless Trump starts conflict, including economic and political turbulence.
My wife and I will be retiring and relocating in a few years. The relocating is not wanted, but necessary for our age. Our house can be inaccessible in the winter by EMS. Shit the sheriffs office is closed at night, and no one on patrol.
So, since we will be relocating, we are looking around. Over the weekend my wife went to two areas. One that looks promising, but the other, she has put a full stop on. She didn’t see a bunch of MAGA hats but we know the area is full on religious zealots and MAGA morons. She got a very strange ‘vibe’.
Another Trump election will probably bring more of these morons out in force. If he isn’t elected, they may slither back under their rocks.
I’m not sure which is worse really. I guess it’s good that these people identify themselves, but on the other hand, if they don’t readily identify each other some may just die on the vine.
So, you truly do think LGBTQ rights are “superficial” because they don’t apply to you, personally. This isn’t the pit, so I’ll just say that response is deplorable.
Nope.
Less dramatic?
If Trump withdraws from NATO, it would make his moronic domestic policies look like farts in the wind.
A new global order, one where authoritarian and regressive countries like China and Russia are in charge, would lead to massive steps back in gay rights, reproductive rights, etc - around the whole world. America included, but also included are all these itty bitty countries you guys are talking about fleeing to.
New Zealand and Portugal will be less gay friendly as Chinese and Russian client states respectively, than they are under a US dominated paradigm.
Yeah, I get that. “The adults in the room” keeping Trump from making dangerous decisions apparently did not find their way to the Supreme Court. Ultimately, both Trump and Biden are old enough that concerns about succession take on higher priority. Trump, in practice, will be more focused on petty domestic issues. One hopes. In fact, one hopes that the Court has energized the Biden campaign. (One might further hope the Biden campaign is superseded by more practical Democrats, depending on one’s views.)