Sorry, gobear, I didn’t see your post until I hit “reply.”
Put that way, I have no problem with it at all.
So calling those with different political views a “bleating herd” would be out of line then?
Enjoy,
Steven
And another.
Here’s a photo of a French magazine cover:
That’s a giant poster hanging in the window of the bar on the corner. Gave me a good chuckle. Note: “Putain” is an expletive meaning “fuck”.
Then I was obviously wrong in my interpretation of gobear’s posts and I humbly apologize. However, if conservatives all of a sudden started sounding exactly like the liberals, I’d wonder what their true agenda was or when the other shoe would drop because I must be missing something. But that’s just me and maybe I’m too cynical in my old age (or perhaps, just in the last couple of days).
Sorry gobear. I didn’t mean to make you defend yourself. If reframing is all that’s being done, than it’s up to each individual voter to inform themselves and live with their conscience over it’s decision.
Oh, and I thank Exgineer and Lord Ashtar for answering my question. I was beginning to feel like the invisable poster today.
Looks like you missed this month’s issue of the Sacred Leftist Screed, Steven.
Not that Bricker needs me to defend him, but it seems obvious to me that he was referring to a small sample of SDMB posters. It doesn’t seem to me to have anything to do with their political ideology.
Great headline.
It is the same question all of my friends in Las Vegas, Chicago, LA, NY and Berlin have been asking.
It would be ABSOLUTELY out of line, yes.
Why do you ask?
That’s not what I did in the post you linked to. There, I said:
This is not castigating people for their differing political opinions. This is castigating people for their participation in the dishonest rhetoric of waiting until an event has occurred and THEN announcing that they knew it all along. I did not – and don’t – insult people for disagreeing with the administration, the war, or the political manuevering. But I can, did, and do insult them when they seek credibility by announcing they “knew it all along” AFTER THE EVENT HAS HAPPENED.
In fact, it was just this attiitude that led me to be so vocal, ahead of time, about my own predictions. I didn’t want to come in here after Bush won and scream about how I knew it all along, unless I had actually laid it on the line ahead of time.
I’m glad you linked to this thread. I have been meaning to dig it up and explore the predictions that people made there, after I forced them to make predictions ahead of time and be judged on them, instead of announcing after the fact that such-and-so event was “right on schedule” and they knew it all the time. Such people are not simply expressing differing opinions - they are being deceitful about what they “knew” and when they knew it. For that – yes, they get “bleating herd.”
Distinction clear?
- Rick
Gotta agree with that sentiment. If the opposition is as smart as it fancies itself to be, why didn’t they win? And frankly, Dio, if you live in Minnesota — I mean, deliberately — you got no room to call other people dumb.
All the pundits and self-styled political experts got blind-sided on election night. The critical issue turned out to be, not the economy, not the war and foreign policy, but traditional values! And this crystallized around the issue of gay marriage. It is not an exaggeration to say that the Massachusetts Supreme Court (quite unwittingly) delivered the 2004 election to George W. Bush.
And the Dems never saw it coming. But there were clear warning signs. During the Missouri referendum, 45% of the electorate turned out (as opposed to the normal 15%) and the voting was 70+% conservative.
Earlier, Hollywood dismissed Mel Gibson’s *The Passion of the Christ * as a crazy vanity project. They were stunned when the film turned into a monster hit. Imagine that! American Christians actually turned out in droves to see a movie about Christ. Who’da thunk’it?
It never occurred to Liberals that American Christians, starved after years of avoiding the immoral swill churned out by Hollywood, might actually embrace a film they could relate to.
And Kerry’s clumsy and mean-spirited attempt to use Mary Cheney as a weapon against her own family and GWB backfired when people like James Dobson and Jerry Falwell rushed to Mary’s defense. Hate the sin, love the sinner.
The point is, Liberals and Democrats and Hollywood-types simply do not understand Middle Americans and Evangelical Christians. This is because they do not listen to them. All they do is talk down to them in that infuriating You-are-obviously-too-stupid-to-run-your-own-life-so-you-have-no-choice-but-to-vote-for-me-so-that-I-can-run-your-life-for-you way so typical of the Liberal elite.
And then the honorable Diogenes weighs in. “How dare they vote for Bush? How can they be so stupid? Morons. Idiots. Knuckle-dragging inbred three-toed rednecks…”
Ah, yes. How to win friends and influence people.
Yes, but you’d be called on it because you’ve made an error in your reasoning.
Mr Kerry isn’t seen as “widely unpopular” because voters in Ohio and Colorado were galvanized against him, he’s “widely unpopular” because a very big portion of our population is old enough to remember the Vietnam War. And of that group, at least half of them have an extreme, visceral reaction to Mr Kerry and his actions during and after the war. Simple as that.
My neighborhood has more vets than Lee Marvin’s fan club. Mesa County is literally swarming with veterans. And I’m sure results were similar down near Colorado Springs.
It’s different in Denver – I know, I used to work there. It’s fairly far left, but it’s a tiny pocket in a big, red state. And before you say anything about the Senate and House races, the Salazars are a rational, experienced team. Their elections over Walcher and Coors show the informed nature of the average Colorado voter. 
You must be feeling especially generous, Rick. It should be 3, and maybe 4, SC Justices, and you forget to mention the 3 net Governorships that the Pubs picked up.
That’s right. Living in Minnesota is dumb. There’s no buxom nordic women up here, no clean air, lots of traffic, no reason to come here, you guys can stay right where you are.
Oh…and we voted for Kerry.
I think you read WAY too much into my post. I have no doubt that the country will eventually get past this; that doesn’t change the fact that the issues here go beyond simple partisanship. And I certainly never made any comparison to the Civil War.
Rehnquist for sure, and probably O’Connor, but who else do you see leaving the bench?
Yeah, it reminds me of a scene from One Hour Photo. Robin William’s disturbingly psychotic character is sitting in his car, observing through binoculars the family he has quietly stalked for years, when it suddenly dawns on him that he is not going to see the reactions that he had spent so much time manipulating. With irony to rival any line in any screenplay ever, he peers through their window as he whispers, exasperated, “Are these people crazy?!”
Been there. Saw the mall. It’s where my wife used to live. And her mother (now in Phoenix). And our daughter (now in Kansas City).
Cool. And how’d that work out for ya? 
God, No fool like an old fool.
I thought you were like 11. 14 maybe.
Who are you talking about? I never saw a single prominent Dem predict a Kerry victory. Everyone but everyone thought it would be close but that Bush had the edge.
I’m not interested in winning friends, I’m interested in saving my country from itself.
Combine any other random thought you might have, and you’ll likely be twice as correct.