On that note, did it raise your eyebrows, back in September of 2003, when Senator Edwards vacated his seat for a run at the White House? I mean, Erskine Bowles? Criminy, it might as well have been James Carville.
It seemed like a tactical error at the time, and now, I think Edwards could have beaten Burr. Why do they do these things?
I’m no spring chicken; I was around then. My anecdotal evidence is far different than your anecdotal evidence.
I’m sure they were. (goes to look at paper…) El Paso County went 67% for Bush. Both are conservative areas to start with - perhaps thats why conservative veterans like them.
You did notice that the legislature went Democratic too?
Agreed. 
Thing is, my friend (and I hope I can still be your friend — I didn’t vote for Bush), you need numbers to do that. You now know that you can’t depend on 18-21-year-old slackers who merely promise they’ll vote. You’re going to need to make friends with some dumb people.
Too set in your ways for help with your grammar then?
Yeah, I guess us uppity lib’rals are suffering from the delusion that everyone’s rights should be respected, not just the majority. God forbid you should ever find yourself in the minority on an issue, and have the tyranny of the majority run right over you.
Actually, that’d make a great Twilight Zone episode. Take some fundy who’s clamoring for the government to legislate his personal beliefs, then -poof- He’s all of a sudden living in a repressive Muslim country where he’s required by law to observe their fundamentalist misinterpretation of their religion. 
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Been there. Saw the mall. It’s where my wife used to live. And her mother (now in Phoenix). And our daughter (now in Kansas City).
[quote]
The mall is for tourists. If you’re up here again, give me a call, I’ll show you where we keep the good beer.
We can sleep at night.
Not particularly. Either the context changed, or your follow-up appears to be a non-sequitor. From your reply to me in that thread
So how did we get from moronic psychic predictions to politics? Was your “bleating herd” a castigation of people who did not examine psychic claims because of their political bent? Because I don’t seem to recall that happening with enough frequency to generate a group of “usual suspects”. How many threads have we had where Dion Warwick was given a pass because she supported Kerry? John Edward? Could you cite a few?
Enjoy,
Steven
I’ve been hearing more of this sort of thing from conservatives lately, and it’s really pissing me off. We aren’t the ones telling people they are sinners if they like to fuck before they are married, or if they fuck people with the same parts as themselves. We aren’t the ones who say that anyone who criticizes the administration is unpatriotic, a traitor, and/or supporting the terrorists. We aren’t the ones who put God in the Pledge of Allegiance and on our money. We aren’t the ones who insist that we should trade civil liberties for the illusion of safety.
Hey Bricker!
When your stocks double in price, but they’re only worth half what they used to be in real terms because the dollar is in the toilet, come back and tell me how smart you all were.
Sometimes getting what you wish for can be a real bitch.
If only the rest of us weren’t stuck on the same trip.
And I’ll let other people talk about Iraq, and I’ll leave global warming for another time.
No, no. The “bleating herd” chimed in to agree with the soothsaying “I knew it all along.” That they did so eagerly because these after-the-fact-predictions were anti-Bush is unquestionable, but what earned them the disdain was NOT the mere fact that they were anti-Bush, but that they were uncritically accepting of anti-Bush rhetoric when they would have been all over a psychic using similar tactics.
Let’s say someone showed up in that old thread and said, “Look, folks, I hate Bush six times as much as the next guy. He’s a disaster for the country and I’ll vote for a spotted owl before I vote for him. But you can’t say that a terror alert is ‘right on schedule’ after it happens, implying that it was part of an obvious, overall plan – unless you have evidence of that plan and can back it up. If you can predict the event AHEAD of time, that would be a good way to show you have such evidence and there is a ‘schedule’.”
Now, would I have grouped that Bush-hater in with the “bleating herd?”
Of course not.
Sadly, no such poster appeared.
Which sort of proved the point I was making.
Ah, predictions.
I like predictions.
So - would you care to wager on “…half what they used to be in real terms because the dollar is in the toilet?” Not going to happen, says I. What do you say again?
And this is the soundbite that defines the liberal elite:
You’re a moron.
You can’t be trusted to govern yourself.
Vote for us!
Do you see how this strategy doesn’t work? Do you really want to see Republicans capture 60 seats in the senate in 2006 and not even have to worry about a filibuster? Because if Democrats continue with this attitude, that will be the result.
What are we supposed to do, surrender? Bush IS a disaster. The country IS in danger, it WAS fucking dumb to reelect him.
This is like watching a bunch of people let a monkey fly an airplane just to spite the people who don’t like the monkey.
Well, the Bush voters have made their own bed. They’ll have only themselves to blame when it collapses.
No, he’s more of a human hurricane. He’s not a disaster; he puts disasters in motion.
Dunno about civil libertarians, but I didn’t think atheists had confirmation ceremonies. 
Was it just me, or did anyone else think the Mirror was scraping the bottom of the barrel drumming up anti-Bush quotes? “Tony Juniper” of Friends of the Earth (Jennifer’s husband?), someone from the Nasserite party in Egypt, and the former prime minister of Nigeria, Bolaji Akinyemi: "“The Americans have voted for a militarised Rambo rather than someone who appeals to their reason”.
The last Nigerian who appealed to my reason wanted to give me $10 million if I’d just let him use my bank account for a little while.
You did say “No”, right?
Oooh. I can almost see those 60 Senate seats.
Present your ideas. Stop calling your opponents stupid (because they’re not). Stop claiming that your opinion is indisputable objective fact (because it isn’t).
Consider the possibility: maybe people weren’t snowed. Maybe they actually evaluated the two candidates and chose the leader without being tricked or defrauded.
What happens though, when you have first hand experience with plenty of people who did not do what you suggest? I’m certainly not using any epithets to describe them, but exactly what does one do and think when that’s the case? Because reasoned, intellectual discourse doesn’t appeal to them. And if you present things in a manner of respectful deference, they aren’t even remotely interested. I’m more than willing to learn anything that will help me understand opposing views better and to work for a united America that we ALL can be proud of despite partisan lines.
And maybe stupidity isn’t endemic in our society of barely-literate high school grads and reality television. And maybe I am a long-lost heir of Polish royalty. :rolleyes: Its walks. It quacks. It’s an effing duck.