Blockquote I disagree, I predominately read/watch over view points, I don’t need to live in an echo chamber. and while I do not think most people do to my level, I don’t think they predominately live in an echo chamber either. But I assume a certain amount of curiosity by people, so I could be the exception and wrong on this.
You are almost certainly an exception.
Blockquote, No, democrat Governors that shut the country down did that. While I would love if he declared his own emergency and sent people in to re-open the states, he is giving them enough rope to hang themselves. You cannot declare it is Trumps fault and say the Governors have emergency powers to do what they want to their state. And i should add that you can’t say Trump has no power to do anything at a state level also
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In most cases their support is based on being lifelong members of the Republican tribe.
A large portion of the Republican base would vote for a liberal Republican like, well, I have to go way back for this example, Wilkie, if nominated.
And a large portion of the Democratic base would vote for a Leninist, if nominated.
Consider the evidence that conservatives give more to charity, donate more blood, and volunteer more. As a never Trumper, I’m hoping that people like me, who left that tribe in 2016, are more generous yet. But I’ve seen no evidence for it.
I think that the GOP standard-bearer is a man who goes through life cheating, who sincerely wants to outlaw media he dislikes, and who craves the power of a dictator.
But tribal allegiance to the GOP doesn’t make you a bad person. It makes you someone with whom I have a disagreement.
Uh, no.
Just over one minute video: Donald Trump: The coronavirus tests are beautiful:
(Video has been chopped and edited- see the red eyes in the still. The words and actions- all Trump.)
No, supporting Donald DOES make you a bad person. You cannot support this incompetent wannabe dictator and pretend to be either a patriot or a good person.
This.
This is qualitatively different from disagreements between parties in the past.
You jest, but it is also important to note that unlike at the Democratic National Convention, no past Presidents spoke at the Republicans’ gathering, while one could had expected nominees like Bob Dole’s milketoast endorsement, Bush, the relatives of both Bushes, John McCain’s relatives, and even Mittens are not backing Trump.
I’d have the check SDMB’s history during the Bush-Kerry race to be sure. But it sounds plausible that what was rare then is common now.
I think that Donald Trump’s personality cult and anti-democratic impulse is something new, for a President, in U.S. history. However, the idea that supporting a bad political leader makes you yourself bad may not be totally unprecedented.
I would compare and contrast with Hillary’s 2016 “you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables” gaffe. This is obviously much less extreme than what BibLibDem is claiming. Clinton acknowledged that there was another half.
I know at least one extremely-good-person Trump supporter (although he may be wavering – on the Trump-Biden thing, not on how he treats his wife and kids ::
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Maybe I’m being too serious about this, but there were a fair number of people who voluntarily joined the Nazi party in the 1930’s, and then hid Jews from the murderers in the 1940’s.
People have more than one part. There surely are people, sincerely participating in their church’s sanctuary efforts, who will vote for Trump in November. : :
I am not willing to listen to all sides; I will listen to a conservative if they present facts or arguments that stand tests of reason. When conservatives or even centrists point out some of the challenges of Medicare for all, such as the added costs to our treasury or complications for medical corporations in adapting to new schemes, I’m willing to listen to fact-based criticisms because they contribute value to the debate and will likely make whatever reforms that ultimately evolve better and more practical. But I am not going to listen to “ZOMG! Socialism!!!”
I’ve never gotten past the fact that Donald Trump is LITERALLY a con artist.
He used his name and his wealth to entice people into giving him large sums of money based on the promise that he would make them rich, too.
He sold a $1500 course that was really just a teaser for a $10,000 membership. Once you brought the membership you found out that in order to really get rich, you needed to buy a $35,000 gold elite package.
He encouraged people to borrow money for these courses, because the first Trump U lesson was “never use your own money.” Some people gave him their entire life savings. Other people gave them money they didn’t even have, and faced financial ruin.
This has been a dealbreaker for me since the beginning, and it should’ve been a deal breaker for anyone with a brain.
Because the best defense I can think of is “No one held a gun to their head. Those people voluntarily handed over their money because they trusted Trump and they deserved what they got”.
Which speaks volumes about Trump supporters, some of whom I’ve heard use this defense with a straight face”
He’s an emperor wearing no clothes and his cult not only refuses to acknowledge his lack of clothing but attacks everyone who points it out. Which is what “Trump Derangement Syndrome” really is.
Yep.
He is rightly on the Wikipedia List of con artists.
No. No. A thousand times NO. The continued existence of the United States of America as a democracy is INFINITELY more important than any ideal of preventing incremental “watering down” of Second Amendment protections.
You are objectively factually wrong to state that a Biden Administration would be worse than a second 45 Administration.
This makes me sad. I expect better of ALL of my fellow Americans, even more so of Dopers.
It makes me sad that the only candidates the Democrats can run against Trump is Hillary and now Creepy Joe. This is the best you have to throw at him?
Does not this and the last election not highlight the lunacy of the primary system?
The lunacy of the American voters, sure. And sure, not the majority of them, but only a few million shy.
It highlights the lunacy of the GOP voters, actually.
I am of the opinion that, whoever the Democrats nominated, that person would have been quickly given a nickname and dismissed with “is that the best you can do?”
There is nothing wrong with Biden as a candidate. He’s a normal, boring candidate, really.
I’m bracing myself for the possibility that this country won’t be able to figure out that Biden is an infinitely better candidate than Trump, but it won’t be Biden’s or the Democratic party’s fault.
We have all the information we need to make the right choice. It’s up to us at this point.