No, they didn’t. Legally an underage kid cannot give consent.
Untrue. Persons of all age are susceptible to coercion. Read about Milgram’s Experiment on Obedience to Authority. The difference is both legal and ethical. Adults might be* legally *held responsible for making a poor decision, but children (in the eyes of the law) cannot be held responsible for abuse from an authority figure.
Yes, women do molest boys. I think it is equally as horrific as men molesting girls. I’m not convinced it happens in anywhere as near as many numbers. I think the whole “men should always be assumed to want sex, and women should always be assumed to not want sex” paradigm is incalculably harmful. I don’t think women are any more sexually moral than men, and I think difference is predatory practices are more cultural than anything else.
But Perverted Justice has not once caught a female, and it’s not for want of trying.
Men can get sex, too, just probably not from a partner of the activeness level they prefer. Women face the same deal. Look around you- there are plenty of very plain women who cannot just jump into bed with whoever.
What could your point her possibly be? I was using logic to demonstrate that the men on TCAP were looking for sex. The reason behind it isn’t really my concern. The point is that they were looking to have sex with a young teenager that night. This can be logically derived from the fact that the setup is always, always older men looking for younger women. And there is never, ever some other factor, like the man getting in touch with the parents and getting permission to “hang out.” The idea that any of these men were there for non-sexual reasons is absurd.
I don’t really care about men’s accessibility to sex or level of attraction. I don’t care if you haven’t been laid in a decade. I don’t care if the teenybopper in question has a really, really nice ass.
That doesn’t make people do the wrong thing. You’d never have sex with a toddler, right? No matter how hard up you were? Why? Because it’s morally wrong and against the law. You’d never rape a woman, I’m assuming. Even if she was really, really nice looking? Why? Because it is wrong and against the law.
People who solicit young teenagers for sex are doing something morally wrong and against the law. It’s not because they were lonely or tempted. It’s because they were willing to do something harmful to another and very illegal for their own gratification.
Well, feel free to try to change the law, but legally, persons under the age of 18 cannot consent to sex. And these guys KNOW that. Read some of the transcripts; in every one I skimmed (till I almost got sick) these guys specifically say “I could get in trouble for this. This is against the law. Are you a cop? I could go to jail for this.”
They know they are breaking the law, and they don’t care. They aren’t innocent, their *intentions *aren’t innocent, and that’s why they go to jail. **They are fucking guilty. **
I was not trying to guilt you or single you out in any way. A man who is very dear to me was raped by a woman, which makes me sensitive on this subject. I don’t know if the numbers are equal either; some researchers think so, others disagree. In reality, it’s impossible to know, because the stigma attached assures that a huge numbers of boys and men will not come forward, or are incapable of understanding what happened to them was sexual assault. I find this deeply sad.
So, in the case of getting sex from the partner of your dreams, women have it as bad as men (or worse; all the good ones are taken or gay, they say). I’m sure we agree on that. However, women would have to lower their standards a lot less than men to get something on short notice no strings attached. Hence the disparity in every aspect, up to including the relative market for hookers vs. gigilos.
I wouldn’t have sex with a toddler because they don’t turn me on; just like I’d never have sex with another man - not my cuppa tea. Those of us with consciences (or morality) don’t need laws and punishment to tell us not to do some things; a certain empathy and desire not to hurt the innocent will do so. That’s why I would not steal candy from a baby, even if I could get away with it.
Frankly, I have no idea which chat sites they were in. (I concluded at the beginning of the internet that there was no intelligent life on live chat rooms). You cna’t rely on “they went there trying to get a victim”. It’s entirely possible they simply enjoyed talking to their “type”, something almost impossible to do in real life; then got carried away by cooperative nature of the bait.
The problem is, the law does not work on “I know bad when I see it”, it’s black and white. One day, propositioning that girl gets you 10 years, the next day, she’s street legal. We also tend to attach the label pedophile (likes children before puberty) to men who like young adolescents. Not that it’s ok, it’s not… just that men who prey on children are a whole giant step creepier than those who prey on 15 or 16yo’s. That is somewhat understandable - in centuries past, that was marriage age for women.
Yes. But is the number as high? In cases I read of teacher and student, it’s majority male teacher. I usually hear, “We are in love/were in love” when it’s a female and “I wanted to get off” when it’s a male.
Cite?
What does this have to do with anything?
Good. From the sound of it, you will not be arrested for soliciting a child to prey on sexually. I’m sure everyone is glad to know that you think it’s wrong in addition to being against the law.
Have you read the transcripts? Have you read any of the cites people posted? You may not know what chat sites they were on, but you could know. The sites tell you. So, it really isn’t “entirely possible”; unless by “type” you mean “13 year old girls” in which case, yeah, they were looking for their “type”. But, since that is illegal, and morally wrong, it is no real defense.
In centuries past we had slavery, men married multiple women at times, and people were burned at the stake for being witches. No one gives a shit about centuries past; we’ve decided, as a society, to be better than that now.
And, AGAIN, these are not 17 year olds, one day shy of being legal. These are 13-15 year olds we are talking about. These men are looking to have sex with 13-15 year old girls. It’s not a gray area; these aren’t kids who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. These are predators, thankfully being prosecuted and (hopefully) stopped before they are able to hurt kids.
Hmm. I may get slammed for this, but there are times when older boys/young men (very young men) do like the younger girl just because he does. They can fall in love and have feelings, too. Boys also like to be protective and in-charge. “Taking care of” a girl is a mark of manhood in some places.
When I was 14, I met a 19 (almost 20) year old. Since he was obviously too old, we waited years before going out on a date and stayed friends. All visits in the meantime were done with a third party present. I think my ‘first love’ was sweet.
When I was in high school, it was common for freshmen to date seniors. Even some of my religious friends dated older boys (and no, they weren’t having sex and two of the couples are now married). When I was a sophomore, I had a boyfriend who’d graduated the year before.
I think it really depends on the guy and the culture/area/situation. It isn’t that 19 year old boys who are dating 16 year olds don’t want to have sex – it’s a matter of who is and who isn’t going to be respectful.
Here’s a stat I found on female v male predators in schools re Florida:
Since the topic had started to focus on education/sex abuse, I thought this to be useful.
Maybe ‘To Catch a Predator’ doesn’t have females on it so much because females aren’t typically predators? (Eg, actively seeking out someone.)
I’m having trouble with cites; as a result of the sexism surrounding this issue, most statistics are framed around women and girl’s experiences. Wikipedia says between 14-40% of offenses against boys are committed by women, and I’m trying to read where they get those numbers. They are also very different; as I said, there is not a lot of research being done on this right now, and for a variety of reasons numbers are very unreliable.
But, personally, I don’t really give a damn what a child molester gives as an excuse for raping someone. It’s wrong, the people (man or woman) who do it KNOW it’s wrong, and there is no excuse.
It was creepy then, too. In the past, we were cool with slavery and all kinds of bad shit. Early marriage is highly correlated with poor health for women and children, high rates of domestic violence, low education rates, depression, and just generally a bad scene for the women involved. Life for women has sucked, for a long long time.
In the past, women were used as domestic slaves and brood stock. These days, we hope for our daughters to develop economic independence, a fully developed personality, and the same sorts of freedoms we hope for our sons, hence the new trend away from making them into sex slaves.
Is the only reason why you don’t have sex with toddlers that they don’t happen to turn you on :eek:? I notice you didn’t mention rape at all :eek:!
More information, but still no cites.
Yes, we know it happens. I think the issue is that it’s not a, well, epidemic.
It is common for freshmen to date seniors, and an age spread of 0-5 years is not unheard of for many teenaged couples. If the relationship is approved by the parents or caregivers of both parties/ if neither party has seduced the other or coerced the relationship/ if caregivers have determined the younger of the two is mature and responsible/ if the relationship matches the cultural climate around the couple…some caregivers may choose to look the other way if the relationship is approved. Some states have graduated laws regarding statutory rape. However, this is not the scenario depicted in TCAP.
On TCAP, adults from a wide spectrum of ages and educational/cultural backgrounds have sexually explicit conversations with kids they believe to be underage. Then the adults appear at the door of an unsupervised person who they assume is 13-15, often bearing condoms and/or alcohol. A deliberate choice is made by an adult to pursue some sort of contact with an underage child.
I didn’t* say* it was an epidemic; there was a general tone on here (and a couple explicit comments) that made it seem like women do not molest boys. They do.
There is a massive difference between a 14 year-old going out with a 19-year-old, which in many states isn’t illegal and a 14-year-old and a 21-year-old.
“Legally” they can’t give consent, however using the original meaning and spirit of the word “consent” yes they can. It’s like how you won’t say “young teen”, you say anyone under 18 is a “child”. You cannot have sex with an under 18 year old, only “rape” them.
Ever hear of “newspeak”? Where language is totally contorted and restricted and manipulated beyond all meaning? Well that’s what you’re doing here. Even if those are the legal meanings, no need to remind us all the time. I speak English. The old language. It’s not controlled by the United States. The US government doesn’t have a right to change the English language.
It would be like calling Hitler “Evil Hitler”, and making it his legal name in the court of law. Doesn’t his actions speak for itself? Similarly, why not let us decide for ourselves about what is and what isn’t appropriate?
No need to come in and hit us over the head with these loaded words, which are designed to manipulate what we’re thinking and to make “sure” we think of it in a certain way with these nasty terms.
As stated in numerous european countries the age of consent is 14 or lower. In Mexico it’s 12. In Canada it’s 14. Under some circumstances it can even be 12 in Netherlands. Remember that Netherlands can’t do any sting operations.
So are Netherlands and all the other european countries falling apart because they dare to allow 14 year olds to have sex? (as if the 14 year old and younger girls in the US don’t!!!). Are there 40 year olds coming along and having sex with 14 year old girls in Netherlands and traumatizing them for life open-country?
No they’re not. And I think this continual insistence that what by the proper English language is not rape, is not a child and is not as a matter of fact without consent, really discredits any arguments you may have.
If you want to make proper arguments as to why 14/15 year olds shouldn’t be having sex, and why we need to strictly enforce such laws, then fair enough. I can see sense to that discussion. But no need for the vitriol, abuse and hysteria.
Also, when you throw around words like that you are trampling on the actual children who are actually raped. The effect of the words “rape” and “child” have less of an impact because of people like you throwing them around constantly and where the words would apply to situations that are obviously innocuous, such a 17 year old + 16 year old.
Did you read the OP? You asked about legal repercussions. Legal. Legal terminology fits best when discussing matters of law, nothing vitriolic about it unless the reader is particularly defensive. Should US laws lower the age of consent? Probably. But that’s a different discussion. You want to start a new thread?
This is only tangentially related, but in the past I’ve done webcam stuff where the guy requests certain role play. On every site I know of, we are not allowed to pretend to be younger than 18, nor are we allowed to do role play in which the customer is underage. I’m not sure if it’s illegal, or if it’s just a rule all sites have to protect themselves, but they take that stuff very seriously and will fire you if they find out you’ve done this type of acting.
And strangely, I’ve never had guys want me to pretend to be younger, but I’ve had many ask me to pretend to be the babysitter or stepmom so they can play the role of a younger person. Webcam has really opened up a whole, bizarre, oddly detailed world of fantasies I never would have thought of, lol.