How does Milo Yiannopoulos exist, exactly?

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You didn’t answer my question. Why not? Are you afraid to answer? Shouldn’t topics like my question be discussed openly?

I totally agree, and I’m not at all afraid. These issues and topics and viewpoints can and should be discussed at length in universities, including from primary sources (which can include recordings and their own writings). I have no worries about having these discussions openly.

This doesn’t require handing megaphones to bigots. Handing megaphones to bigots doesn’t increase understanding – it just helps the bigots. If they want a megaphone, they can get one with their own resources, but I see no need for communities to hand them out for free to those that advocate bigotry.

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I’m not insulting you, and you still haven’t answered my question about those campus Democrats. Why not?

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The violence certainly helps him. But not inviting him doesn’t help him, and not inviting him isn’t silencing him. That’s what organizations should do – not invite bigots.

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Looks at this post
Thinks about the fact that Donald Trump is president
Looks back at this post

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No, the guy is a fucking troll.

Ockam’s Razor and all that.

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I’ll change the font as I see fit.

You’ll change the truth as you see fit.

Must be a day that ends in “y”.

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That is still being willfully disingenuous. The university isn’t giving anything. A club is inviting a speaker which is their right.

Public universities have certain obligations of fairness.

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We may never know the precise identities of these left wing anarchists because the police were too busy watching them riot instead of arresting them.

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This statement is pretty vague.

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Public universities also have an obligation to the safety of their students. Milo has already made trans individual trans students the targets of his ‘talks’ and may delight in making new targets.

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Has anyone floated this Idea? Milo’s not gay, just says he is/was to rile up a crowd.

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This is a slight side discussion (and do you really have to accuse me of lying so often?) – apparently madsircool really does think universities should be inviting assholes like this one to speak, while I do not.

Then why did you insist they were “campus Democrats”? Hell, do we even know if the violent ones were students?

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Nonsense. Stupid ideas clearly do and have swayed the masses. Particularly in an environment of epistemic uncertainty, which Trump and co have been trying very hard to foster. What I’m afraid of is the great many people who don’t have the patience or wherewithal to understand things such as nuance. Who don’t trust good sources of information, but gladly trust these shitweasles to give them the whole truth.

I’m afraid of ideas I disagree with because despite their apparent intellectual bankruptcy, they’re winning.

Which is why Ken Ham is speaking at Harvard next week. Right? And after that, we’ve got a neo-nazi lined up. Oh wait we just did that one.

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Ken Ham is annoying, and I would protest his invitation to a university by not showing up. I wouldn’t care all that much, and if someone made a big deal over it, I would tell them to calm down, he’s just an idiot, and most of the people that do go to see him go because they want to see the idiot that actually believes this stupid shit.

Milo is different. I have tried to listen to him, but I can’t get more than a few seconds into one of his sets without feeling a visceral reaction to the hate that he spews. It makes me angry. To be quite honest, it makes me want to punch him in the face, for saying things that are just so dripping with hatred and contempt.

To react violently to such derisive speech doesn’t make one a better person, but it does mean that one is human.

My concern on someone like him, is, as much as his vitriol tempts me into resorting to violence because of how much I disagree with his vicious attacks upon those he deems beneath him, is that those who agree with him may feel the same level of visceral reaction, but against the targets of his hatred, rather than against him.

This was no prejudging bias, the first time I encountered him, all I knew was he was a gay republican comedian. I assumed like a log cabin republican (who make good arguments from fiscal perspectives sometimes), but with a sense of humor. I thought it would be interesting. The worst I expected going into it was to not think he was funny. I was not expecting the kind of bile that then proceeded to spew forth from his hate hole. Within seconds, my normally calm and laid back attitude was replaced with an anger that only grew with his every word.

He;s not stupid either. He knows exactly what he is doing, and everything is carefully calculated to cause the greatest offense possible. Comedians have a way at looking at the world through juxtapositions of dissimilar ideas that when brought together make us react. Comedians who are entertaining do so in a way that makes us laugh. Comedians that use their perspective for divisiveness have the same influence over our emotions, but the intent is not to make us laugh, but to make us hate. Just as a good comedian will calculate and practice the timing and delivery of a joke for maximum laughter, he does the same for maximum hate.

Milo is not just another controversial speaker. He is a memetic poison. His views and presentations are not controversial, they are toxic.

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It’s just words. Deal with it. And if you are unable, then that’s too bad.

Any leftist toddlers that are unable to keep their violent inner core from coming to the surface will find out that violent actions have consequences, and they will be rightfully and legally be smacked down, and it wont be pretty, thankfully.

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We don’t restrict liberty based on you and a few others being stunted at a childhood level with regards to emotional control.

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I get that you agree with his hateful rhetoric, and wish to emulate, but like I said, he’s a troll, but he’s not stupid.

You’re a troll, but not in the same class as him. The best you can do is annoy and bore, because unlike him, you really are that stupid.

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octopus, I’m still waiting for you to explain your “campus Democrats” slander. Did you make it up, did you estimate and guess wrong, did you think you had evidence that it turns out you didn’t have, or do you just not care about saying false things?

Not a big deal to be wrong every so often – I know I am. I try to be careful with the facts, especially when it comes to accusing large groups of wrongdoing.

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CRUSH their babies! Nothing like the joy of conservatives killing liberals and their children! Smash their skulls!

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By a few others, I assume you mean Milo, right?

Like I said, while I react viscerally against him for the hate that he spews, I am more concerned about the people that viscerally react with him about the hate that he spews.

He plays on the emotions of not just detractors, but his supporters as well.

If someone invited a violent anarchist to speak, and that violent anarchist was known for advocating for violence and destruction, and in the wake of his speeches, violence and destruction followed, you would have no problem with this?

Once again, you are absolutely not paying attention to the points in this thread. He can have a youtube channel, he can have a twitter account (heh, actually, no he can’t, as twitter feels that his statements are hate speech, and has banned him), he can have a soap box on the corner. He has a blog, a website, every single way you can think of, if you want to access his material, you can. There is not a single thing actually shutting him up. Your cries of censorship would be unfounded, but as you are unaware of what censorship actually means, they are just stupid.

But you are asking that a place that is supposed to be about learning and tolerance be required to accept someone who is fundamentally and violently hostile to those concepts.

If feeling that being required to give a platform to spewing hate is unacceptable makes me “stunted at the childhood level”, then your embracing and endorsing such hate means you are stunted at a sub-human level. Seriously, have you no empathy whatsoever, or do you really just get that much enjoyment out of watching the suffering of others?

Now, as I’ve said a few times in this thread, and you have not responded to it, as you are more interested in constantly trying (and hilariously failing) to paint some sort of liberal hate machine that in any way matches the one that your buddies have been building these last 50 years (ever since your party embraced hatred and bigotry with the “southern strategy”) the best way to protest the sort of hate that you embrace is to ignore it. Pointedly and deliberately. Not ignore as in pretend it doesn’t exist, but ignore in a way that allows the speaker, and the public know that the words that come from his mouth are weak and boring. Set up another event at the same time, in a different location with a speaker that can talk about more benign and pleasant things. If no one shows up for Milo, but you have a packed house for a kumbaya concert, then Milo will realize that he is no longer interesting, and no one will bother to invite him anymore.