That sounds like a crappy plan. Most (all?) states have specific processes and deadlines for certifying their elections. I’d be very surprised if a county saying, “nope, not gunna” would lead to the SoS deciding, “Well, I guess we can’t certify.”
Didn’t something similar but smaller scale occur in 2020? As I recall, some shit-kicking county in a state was dragging their heels big time, and the courts said, you’ll comply or face criminal contempt. The threat of immediate incarceration shakes even zealots.
The idea seems like a huge long shot. I suspect that a long shot is still more attractive to those weasels than giving up if you don’t win the election. And most of the people responsible last time stayed out of jail (so far) so they might be willing to risk it.
The one I remember was Wayne County in Michigan not initially certifying because the 2 GOP members of the election board voted against it. After a huge public outcry, they reversed their votes, much to the chagrin of DJT.
But there may have been a situation like you described.
That’s why there is more to it than simply saying, “nope, not gunna,” it also requires the SoS saying, “you don’t certify, your votes don’t count.” They both are in on it, since once “your votes don’t count,” gets said, the lawyers start requiring hearings. One side says, “certify or don’t certify, we don’t care,” while the other side says, “not so fast.” It’s the “not so fast,” part that makes it work.
Look, Trump knows that if he doesn’t get elected, he’ll be penniless and in jail. It doesn’t take a Poly Sci major to figure this out.
I tend to be pretty optimistic, especially more than most others here, but I can’t help but remember we were saying the same thing in 2020.
I mean, it wasn’t 100% wrong. New York screwed him up. He’s not in jail but he’s awaiting sentencing for his felony convictions, and he lost massive monetary judgements and basically lost his main business.
I guess the optimistic way I should look at it was that the job was partially done, if he loses this time that’ll seal the deal.
I’m a bit confused by this. Is it guaranteed that enough (red) states will be more than happy to have Emperor Trump? I mean won’t there be ANYone in those states who sees that this would be a bad idea to throw the will of the voters into the garbage can? I just can’t see every single red state going lock stock and barrel throwing away democracy and going full steam into authoritarianism. Some of them, sure. But enough of them?
They won’t see or define it that way. They’ll point to “reasonable doubt” in the electoral process (please read in the bleeding sarcasm) just as they did in 2020, and then, in great solemnity, claim they’re doing their duty as elected (some more sarcasm in the case of many states) representatives of the people to choose the best candidate to lead the free world (irony explodes).
Which will just happen to be Trump.
It’ll still be America they claim, and then spend the next 4 years making sure no fair election will ever happen, or otherwise make sure that THEY will be able to override any popular vote (See AZ, Ohio, etc).
They can try… but I still believe enough honest public servants, including GOP elected officials as we saw last time in Georgia, and alert, patriotic, pro-democracy citizens will make sure it doesn’t happen.
I am less sanguine. 4 years of minimal, if ANY consequences to those at the top, with direct, obvious, and endless support from their “team” to neuter said minimal consequences, while many/most who stood up for democracy found themselves forced out of government?
The lesson they learned is that the consequences for NOT putting Party over America is a complete loss of power. Which is why I hate several members of the current SCOTUS more than Trump, something I hadn’t believed possible.
“She’ll be like a play toy,” Trump — who has a history of using sexist attacks and stereotypes in campaigns against women — said in a Fox News interview with Laura Ingraham, a portion of which aired on Tuesday night. “They look at her and they say, ‘We can’t believe we got so lucky.’ They’re going to walk all over her.”
Trump’s lack of self awareness, and his ability to project his own weaknesses onto others never ceases to astound me.
ISTR that there was a county or two in SE AZ that was refusing to certify, so the SoS said ok, we will just go with the votes we have, which would have changed the congressional makeup, so they came right to heel.
And that is another consideration. If some counties refuse to certify due to MAGAtry, they could be screwing themselves over on the congressional front, which could matter if the EVs failed to work out.
The whole process is elaborate and complex. RWers have been shown to have difficulty with complex situations. They tend to think oh, this will be simple, without taking the time to look at the whole picture. They are somewhat less moronic than Individual-ONE, but not by a large amount. They might not even manage to pull off chaos.
Is there more in the link than the snippet you posted? It sounds to me like he’s saying “world leaders will look at her, realize she’s a woman, and attempt to walk all over her”, which isn’t really a criticism of her appearance.
It’s wrong in multiple other ways. Let’s count them.
He thinks world leaders will be so poorly informed that they will not realize the U.S. President is a woman until they meet and see her in person.
He thinks that those leaders, on realizing she is a woman, will think that they can take advantage of her because of it (i.e. that the other world leaders are sexist).
He thinks it’s a bad thing that those leaders will assume Harris is incompetent. It should be the reverse. In any negotiation, you want the other side to underestimate you.
He thinks that world leaders will successfully walk all over Harris (i.e. that Trump is sexist).
If they didn’t walk all over Angela Merkel, and they didn’t walk all over Margaret Thatcher back in the day, then why would they walk all over Kamala Harris?
Donald, “because she’s a woman” ain’t gonna cut it with today’s world leaders.
Trump may well think that Merkel and Thatcher were walked all over by their contemporaries. Heck, Trump probably thinks thave every leader except him, Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong Un were walked all over. I mean, look how many of them valuntarily stepped down; what losers.
What I was thinking was that every time Trump got up on the world stage, he got laughed at. And he thinks they would walk over Kamala Harris, but not him?