How have you betrayed your younger self? (Please read criteria in OP before posting!)

How have you betrayed your younger self?

By which I mean not merely changes in your tastes or preferences, e.g., you used to read fantasy books, and now prefer sci-fi, or you only listened to heavy metal in high school, and now you listen to other genres.

No, I mean renouncing or letting go of something that was really central to your identity for a significant portion of your life, something you felt was a permanent part of you.

Here are my two examples: movies, and to a lesser extent, books.

Books. I grew up in a family that loved books, and when I moved out on my own I kept buying books. I loved visiting book stores. I went to a Great Books college. By the time I was in my late 50s, my wife (whom I met at that college) and I owned well over 2,000 books, and that was after I had already culled a couple hundred before moving into her house when we married.

Then we moved. And moved again. And again. The first time into a much bigger house with a lot of built-in bookshelves. Great! Then to a smaller place, but with enough room for most of them. Then to a much smaller place with hardly any room for books. Which is where we are now, and will probably stay for the rest of our lives.

Even though we had professional movers do the heavy lifting (literally), the charm of owning books wore off around the time of the second move, and since the Kindle had come out shortly before the first of the three moves, I was increasingly buying and reading books digitally, not physically.

Before the last move we culled our 2,200 books by 50%, donating well over 1,000 to the local Goodwill. And here, in what we expect to be our last home, we have shelf space for a couple hundred. The majority of books we still own are in boxes in the attic.

For at least four or five decades, I would have called myself a book person. But three or four moves (after the age of 55) and the advent of e-books have convinced me that they’re just stuff. Yes, they look nice, and if you have a place to keep them and won’t have to move sometime in the future, I suppose there’s little downside to collecting them.

But at 70 years old, the idea of owning and collecting more and more stuff (of all kinds, not just books) has lost its luster. I haven’t bought more than a dozen physical books in the past five years. I buy and read all my new books on my Android tablet. I don’t miss reading physical books at all. One time recently, while reading a physical book, I had to stop myself from touching a word I wanted to look up!

Movies. Starting in high school, I became a film buff. I lived near Washington, DC, where a repertory cinema, the late, great, Circle Theater, ran double features of classic films, changing the program every few days. You could buy a book of ten tickets for $10. I would often go down a couple of times a week, with friends or by myself, and saw most of the films of Fellini, Bergman, and most other classic directors there.

In college I was a member, and later head, of the film club. After college I worked at the IMAX theater at the National Air and Space Museum and after being laid off 12 years later, continued working in the IMAX/giant-screen business for the next 24 years. I went to pre-release press screenings of feature films for many years and made a point of watching all the Oscar-nominated films, predicting the winners, and watching the ceremonies.

I was as committed to the notion a seeing films in the theater as anyone I knew, since, especially for IMAX films, there was no comparison to watching them at home. I remained committed even as flat-screen TV became cheaper and larger, and as theaters became less and less popular. My wife and I still went to see movies in the theater at least once a month.

But that has slowed down in the last few years. It’s a half-hour drive to our nearest multiplex. I’m 70 and she’s 65. Our newest TV is 77 inches.

The last movie we saw was the F1: The Movie, in IMAX. It was LOUD. REALLY LOUD! So were the trailers before it, and they were all for horrible movies we had absolutely no interest in seeing. Despite my age, I’m not hard of hearing yet, and the experience in that theater was just not fun. To say nothing of not being able to stop the film when we had to go to the bathroom.

I haven’t completely sworn off going out to the movies, and there’s a nice art house theater a little closer than that multiplex that we like better, and will probably patronize now and then. But for almost all ordinary movies we might be interested in, the home experience is vastly preferable.

My younger self is looking at me with disbelief and dismay!

How about you?

I’m the exact same way with the books and how they mostly became ebooks. Sadly, that switch also coincided with a decreasing attention span. I now rarely finish books, though I still start many of them. I used to consider myself relatively well read and well informed (at least for my socioeconomic class), but no longer. It was a small but meaningful part of my identity. Alas.

What I’m more saddened by is the (partial) loss of what used to be a very core part of my identity: environmentalism and activism. Younger me was a raging environmentalist, a card-carrying Greenpeace member who seriously considered joining the Sea Shepherds. I wore chicken costumes to support PETA, gave talks on veganism, trespassed on logging land to supply tree-sitters, did backcountry trailwork for a bit, helped run several tiny campus enviro groups, and was in charge of the college’s sustainability fund (to be spent on solar, water conservation, HVAC, etc.). Attended a lot of protests, and that escalated into angry online rhetoric, which eventually led to a interrogation by the Secret Service (it was fine; they were actually impressively professional, personable, and reasonable, and no, they didn’t force me to say that).

I realized then that my actions were not only counterproductive – making enemies and harming my own causes – but also endangering my allies and friends. I had to seriously reconsider my approach, and that led to a career in conservation-adjacent organizations instead, like solar companies and museums. Fast forward more years, and as those industries slowed due to changes in federal policy, my job opportunities dried up alongside and I had to fall back to tech stuff instead.

These days I still inwardly care a lot about those causes, but don’t do much for them anymore aside from the occasional volunteering. I’m much more content and stable in my boring middle age, but I definitely miss the fiery passion of my younger days, where every day felt purposeful and challenging. Now I mostly just drift day to day through a comfortable, easy existence. I would like to change that, but I’m not quite sure how…

Between the ages of approximately 11 and 15 I was obsessed with Christianity. I was possibly a bit unbalanced. I brought my Bible to class with me. I prayed constantly. I had a “close personal relationship with Jesus Christ,” as they say. I wrote Him letters every day. And I proselytized continuously. I believed my faith was unshakeable. I could not have imagined a life without Jesus.

When I was 17 I suffered a series of personal traumas that ultimately led to me leaving the church - though a fair amount of it was that I couldn’t stand the homophobia. At that point in my life, most of my friends were gay. I felt alienated from the church, both on this major question of ethics and generally as an emancipated minor whose life was falling apart.

Anyway, my freshman year of college I got my hands on some Nietzsche and that was all she wrote. Shortly after that, I became a Buddhist, but didn’t even really do anything about it until this past year, when I finally joined a Zen temple.

But it’s going on 25 years now that I identify as an atheist.

Electronic music definitely

As an obnoxious opinionated teenager in the 90s I completely defined myself by electronic music (Rave, Hardcore, Jungle, Drum and Base, Breakbeat, etc)

I was utterly convinced in the future no one would listen to guitar based music, let alone 48 year old me.

But here we are, I rarely listen to electronic music anymore :person_shrugging:

Are you comfortable sharing any more details on that part of the journey? It seems like that would be (depending on church) a possibly difficult coexistence, to say the least. Did your gay friends try to convert you away? Did your Christian ones try to get you to disown those friends? It couldn’t have been easy juggling the two all the time, unless you had a progressive church.

I never had children. I am, mostly, OK with that, and I certainly didn’t make much of an effort to find a partner and make it happen back in the days when it was a realistic option. My younger self, pretty much from childhood until probably my early thirties (which is when I realized that it would take active effort and that it wouldn’t just happen in the course of things), would have seen this as an appalling tragedy.

I’m a trans woman. By being true to my real self, I betrayed my former false self. It’s a delicate process; doing surgery on the self while you’re still using it is akin to surgery on living tissue.

I left Christianity and became agnostic. Even up to 5 years ago, it would have been unthinkable.

I wanted to join the Air Force and eventually be an airline captain; I did neither. Ended up only piloting planes twice in my life. Airplanes had been THE main career dream.

I started out Republican conservative, including working for Republican campaigns as an intern, but now hold a mixture of far-right and far-left views instead. On some issues, I’m more liberal than even maybe 90% of liberals. I could not have imagined being liberal when younger.

I grew up as the goody-two-shoes kid who wanted to please my parents and now instead have cut off most contact with them, realizing how toxic and manipulative they both are, and now vehemently oppose most of what they stand for or behave like.

Similar to the OP’s books, I had a huge CD collection - around 1500 - that I was quite proud of. In three large racks that took up about 12 feet of wall space. Like the OP, about ten years ago, after moving several times, I decided they weren’t worth hanging on to. I’d already ripped them all onto my computer, so it wasn’t that hard a decision to make. I kept a few that were autographed or otherwise rare, and took the rest of them to Goodwill.

Well, I had a family friend who was gay, knew him since I was six years old, so I was inoculated very much against the church’s homophobia. During my teen years I spent pretty much every weekend at my liberal Aunt’s house, hanging out with her and her gay best friend. The girl I knew who became my best friend my junior year was also gay, but that was happenstance. All her friends were gay and I therefore became a part of this new, very gay, social context.

This life was largely separate from my church life. I was at church at least two days a week and they gave me a lot of stability given my unstable home life. I was very close to my youth paster and wanted to marry one of his boys.

I remember, when I was twelve, attending a church camp in the Carolinas. They were hard-core, like making you throw out your Christian rock music hard core. And the preacher was doing the fire and brimstone speech about gay people, and said something like, “You can’t even imagine what they do to each other, it would make you sick to your stomach.”

And I was confused. Why is this guy getting that worked up about butt sex? It was just so stupid.

I didn’t see a lot of hate from my particular Baptist church at the time, though. The subject didn’t come up. So it wasn’t that I was living a double life, I just knew that many Christians were wrong about this. Zero doubt. They were wrong.

It wasn’t until I got older and things started to fall apart that I felt more alienated from the church, but I vividly recall two boys I loved and respected, including the pastor’s son, joking about shooting all gays, and I was just shocked that these people that had basically been my sanctuary could harbor so much hate. And to the best of my recollection, that was the last day I went to church.

I’m not sure what is meant by betrayed. I also love books, and have been able to keep them, and have 6500 SF books and who knows how many others. But if I had to sell or donate them because I had to move into assisted living or something I’d be sad, but I wouldn’t have felt that I betrayed myself. If I decided to stop reading because I considered it pointless, that would be betraying my love of books.

If you change your opinion because of learning more about the world, is that betrayal?

Yeah, it’s a weird juxtaposition in some people, isn’t it? And thank you for sharing. Growing up, I had gay friends and heavily Christian friends at different times. The Christians were moderately homophobic (not to the level of joking about any sort of violence), but enough to also turn me off their beliefs (even as a straight man). They too were otherwise kind people and some of my best friends at the time.

I also had some friends who were formerly Jehova’s Witnesses, who left due to similar disagreements. In that case I think they get disowned (“disfellowed”) by everyone who formerly knew them, including all their friends and family…

It’s not easy losing loved ones over belief systems…

Books are a special case because of the ease of conflating “seeker of knowledge”, “reader”, and “owner of books”. Back in the day those were more or less synonymous unless you lived within a block or two of a big city library. If you were going to be a knowledge seeker, you had to be a book buyer; there was no other way.

Nowadays you already have access to the content of most books on your phone if you want. The physical artifact called a “book” was always ever just a means to an end. Means change. If you still have the end of “seeker of knowledge”, or even “fan of written fiction”, you haven’t betrayed or abandoned anything even if you burned your entire book collection to stay warm over the winter.

I’ve always had a decent sound system. Big amp, big speakers, etc. My last system had three turntables for CDs. Then we downsized and that system got sold. I figured I’d keep my smaller one and see if I wanted to upgrade in Portland. But we bought a small bungalow and there just wasn’t space, even for the smaller system. So it went away and I got a couple of Sonos cubes, which is what we still have. It’s okay, as my hearing isn’t as acute as it once was, but I do miss my head-banging self.

With books I am much like the OP. But I often have trouble with the print in physical books (especially at night) while I can always crank up the print size in my e-reader.

When I was growing up it would never have occurred to me to be a mathematician. Math was just something I learned effortlessly and it was just not interesting. I had a chemistry set I really loved and I was going to become a chemist. But then as a student I got a job as a lab assistant and discovered that I was not very good in the laboratory. Also I overheard a conversation between two grad students in the lab about this strange subject called modern algebra. I mixed into that conversation and, before long, I was hooked.

I travel more and read a little less these days so I’m doing OK with the switch for now.
I guess I don’t see it as betrayal but naturally evolving through the circumstances of life as the years pass.

I’m lucky (not good) enough to have not fallen into the “betrayals” mentioned above. I’ve been in the same home for just shy of 23 years now, and I’m in my early 50s - so not had to do any major downsizing. Despite that, my bookshelves are indeed overflowing, which is one of the reasons I was a very early ebook adopter, and figure 98% of my book purchases in the last 10 years have been ebook editions. For CDs, I have all of them still, and the percentage is a bit different, about 70% of my owned music is purchased on CD but all of it is also copied to digital form. Ditto for my movie/DVD/Blu Ray collection. Movies is even a higher percentage purchased, maybe 98% hardcopy, then converted into a digital format. In an emergency I could grab my NAS and loose very little of my music or movie collection.

Still, I’m not sure those are betrayals anyway. I’ve had eclectic musical tastes since I was young, with my father’s favorite of Pirates of Penzance and Hair getting frequent plays along with my favorite 80s songs, modern and classic Billy Joel, and my fondness for dark Fantasy Heavy Metal like the movie/album and the band Manowar. That hasn’t changed, and I’m having fun with Sea Chanty Metal right now.

Still read the same sort of books, play the same sort of video games. The closest I’ve come is a near total abandonment of TT-RPGs. I’ve been a player since I was 11 with my first Big Red D&D boxed set, but I don’t think I’ve managed a TT game in over a decade. My local group had a lot of dysfunctional mechanics, but was a going thing until pretty much all but my wife and I moved out of town chasing different things. Yeah, in this day and age, online gaming is a possibility, but most of us are too busy to manage the time and energy, though many of us get together weekly to play World of Warcraft since no one has to prep for that.

We did try two different groups but the fit was… awful. I admit to being too fond of building based on a personal meta, and my lawful neutral nature makes me a rules lawyer, but I’m not a true munchkin. One of the groups we tried was 100% munchkin all the time (lots of homebrew and custom classes from powercreep manuals) and the other fell apart right after we joined after the GM and their spouse divorced.

Life be complicated.

I don’t think I’ve given up on it though, so my younger self that gamed (RPG or Board/wargames twice a week through high school) is definitely giving me serious side-eye. And I still have all my manuals for probably two dozen RPGs in assorted editions downstairs in my bookshelf.

Aside, one of my college buddies was trying to get a job here in Colorado Springs, and said if he did, he wanted to run a game - and he has a wife and two kids! Sadly, we learned this week he didn’t get the position.

It’s a good question, and I leave it to posters here to define the term for themselves. In the OP I didn’t express any emotional element of the “betrayal,” because for me, in the cases of books and movies, I see my current outlook as simply a reflection of changes in technology, my circumstances, and my physical condition as an older person. My younger self might have been outraged, dismayed, or disappointed in the ways I’ve changed, but my present self has no guilt, embarrassment, or shame regarding them. It is what it is.

So perhaps the word “betray” was not the best choice, or is not appropriate for everyone posting here.

I’d be interested in hearing from more people about their feelings regarding their younger selves’ attitudes, and the changes they’ve gone through. Do you feel guilty that you’ve changed? Regretful? Grateful? Or merely accepting of the fact that such changes are inevitable?

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I’ve always had a decent sound system. Big amp, big speakers, etc. My last system had three turntables for CDs. Then we downsized and that system got sold. I figured I’d keep my smaller one and see if I wanted to upgrade in Portland.
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Me too. Now, We just have those little Alexa things, and also play music through the TV. Man, I used to have these big heavy speakers that I would hang on the wall. I suspended my turntable from the ceiling to help avoid the occasional bump and have it skip. Rigged up a mercury so a light would turn on in the dust cover of the turntable when you lifted the cover.

Alexa is fine for me now.

The last nail in the coffin for my “religious fervor” phase was a university history course where we compared Christianity to other mystery cults of the time (e.g. Mithras, Isis).