But the FBI DID investigate him and the case and found nothing.
Thing is, these things are darn hard to prove even if it just happened last week but this case happened 32 years ago. Nobody could corroborate it. Ford herself couldnt even remember exactly when and where it occurred.
And what should have happened after the letter was first to investigate it (the dems have enough money to do that) and after they found nothing, no other witnesses or anything, they should have dropped it. Do you really think this is the first time the democrats have gotten a letter from someone making a claim?
That is IF they valued their integrity, Ford’s integrity, and the integrity of the supreme court. But they decided to go with theater.
Oh yeah. Remember who Hollywood votes for?
As there is no evidence of any kind to back up what Ford said there is no indication any of it happened. There is no mystery involved.
I understand the word mystery to mean something with an unknown answer, which people are curious about. Or are you saying that you have a definitive answer to these questions?
Unless you do, I’d question whatever definition of “mystery” you’re using that you would try to classify the Ford allegations outside of the realm of mystery.
Which is to say, I would suspect that this has less to do with mysteries and more to do with cognitive dissonance.
In what room? When? Where? Who was present? How did they get there? How did they get home?
We don’t have enough information to conclude that there was such an event, let alone what it might have consisted of.
We have one conspicuously vague description of it, that contains just one verifiable claim: the names of people present. And not one of these gave even tepid support to the story.
Again, I ask, do you really think this is the first time Nancy Pelosi, or any other top ranking democrat, has received a letter claiming knowledge of something bad on her or anyone else political opponent or even ally?
What they should do is look into them. But if there is no evidence to back up a claim they should let it drop.
This Is not true.
Yes, it is actually true. Either Feinstein, Eschoo, or their staffs. Ford did not come forward, she wanted to make an anonymous accusation. She was outed against her will. It was communicated to her that her accusations were going to be made public whether she wanted to or not.
She made the accusation, Feinstein and Eschoo told her it was not enough to go forward, then the hearings concluded and nothing else could be made to stick to Kavanaugh. So Feinstein forced it public.
Go read the monster thread in Elections. You can see it develop, step by step, and cited every step of the way.
Regards,
Shodan
*The reporter who broke the story about the sexual assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh said that the news was not leaked to him by Dianne Feinstein’s office - as she launched a new defense of her handling of Christine Ford’s accusation of the Supreme Court nominee.
Ryan Grim, the D.C. bureau chief for The Intercept, was the first to report in September on the existence of a confidential letter written by Ford that accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her at a party in the early 1980s.
The story said there was ‘tension’ inside the Democratic membership over the handling of the letter.
Grim said late Thursday that the letter was not leaked to him by Feinstein or anyone in her office, as many have speculated.*
You’re reading too much into what I wrote. See my other posts in the thread.
If you can’t prove “something” happened then it’s not a mystery. it’s a story.
Okay let’s say that your mom - and I realize that I may get into trouble with the moderators here - but let’s say that she’s forgotten to lock the door and your dad is out of town for whatever reason. A man sneaks in, rapes your mom, and leaves. He used a condom, she didn’t put up a fight, maybe she waits a few days or even weeks to report it, if ever.
One day your mom tells you she was raped.
You ask her, “Well Mom, what evidence do you got that this is true?”
And she says back, “I have my word.”
“Well Mom, you should stop telling stories.”
If you mom didn’t slap you at that point, I would personally be amazed.
Velocity, anyone reporting a sexual assault this long after the crime occurred would find the statute of limitations had long since expired. Maybe the more relevant question is, “Would she be believed?”
The answer, we see, is yes, but that those with an interest in it not being true will find ways to evade admitting it, including blaming her and ascribing nonsensical motivations to her.
Hell no and dont even go there. Totally different situation.
In your scenario you said she told only “days or weeks later”. All the pertinent information such as where, when, and general description would still be fresh in her mind. And hell yes I would believe her and insist she go tell the police who could then come and do an investigation and who just might find some clues. For example his race, age, build, anything he said, what he was wearing, method of entering the house, etc… all that are clues. Neighbors might have noticed an odd vehicle. Street cameras might have noted an odd vehicle. Heck their might still be a random hair or something around.
Point is all are clues and they are all fresh and ready to be acted upon.
Plus as you say, it was break in and rape.
In Ford’s case it was 32 YEARS later. Two teenagers were drinking. Nobody really can remember anything specific.
Finally you have the situation of who is being told. Your Mom is talking to police. Its the job of police to investigate. Police keep all information confidential until they need someone for a trial or more questioning. In Ford’s case it was a letter to a politician who really couldnt care about things like guilt or evidence, only to put Ford out there and to make political points. And they pounced on Ford with glee and shoved her out into the public spotlight whether she wanted to or not.
So please, dont even compare the 2 cases.
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Errr, yes they sure can investigate. Presuming it’s been weeks later, not years later. Your mom can give a description and they can check CCTV need your house for someone of that description and later confirm tha5 suspects presence with cellphone data. He may have deposited recoverable DNA, even if your mom has taken a bath, it might be found in the house, a long shot, but a realistic one. The police can interview neighbours if they saw a man near the house at the time.
This is a much more solvable case with a lot, lot, lot more information that an Fords. And, BTW, a person believing a family member claim is different from what a investugating agency should start of as, no one has question Mr Fords beliefs of his wife.
We know that the Democrats in congress were the only ones who had the letter and that it was leaked. From your cite: “Grim cited ‘multiple sources familiar with the situation,’ suggesting that the leaks could have come from Democrats who had learned about the letter and were unhappy with Feinstein’s refusal to release it.”
Fine 32 years later, your mom tells you about that time she was raped.
“Mom, you should stop telling stories.”
You will still get slapped.
I am not comparing the case of “your mom” with the case of Mrs. Ford, I’m discussing Magiver’s criteria for the difference between a mystery and a story, as you should know from reading my post and the text that was quoted.
And nowhere in my post do I say, “And if your mama says that that man did it, then you should lock that man up, without further evidence nor trial!”
And I don’t say that because, well, a) I was talking about the definitions of words and when somebody’s being intellectually dishonest with themselves, not how to approach and conduct an investigation, and b) because we live in a country that obeys the rule of law and there’s a certain standard of evidence that we require which is higher than that. While sad for your mom, we just can’t throw someone in jail on her say-so, and that’s fine. And we’re all free to choose whether we believe your mom.
But you’d just be an a-hole to tell her, your sister, and every other woman in the country who has been raped, molested, and assaulted that they’re all just telling stories since no evidence, not even a mystery, let alone any chance of thinking there might have been a crime.
See reply to urbanredneck.
I never, EVER said that even 32 years later I would not believe my mom or I would accuse her of making up stories.
Where do you come up with this? You really are reading alot into us.
Now even though it happened 32 years later I still would try and get her to tell the police. Who knows maybe it was a serial rapist who had broken into other womens homes. I would also try to investigate the story myself.
But again, your talking about breaking and entering and rape. This case was something 2 teenagers got into. In this case no, even though I would believe her, I still would not push her to let the democrats, or republicans, use her as their puppet on a stage just to help them gain political points.
Look, Pelosi and friends didnt give a damn about Ford. They only wanted her as a stooge. It wasnt Pelosi or any of the top DNC people who up there spilling her heart out before a national audience.