How long do you think the US government shutdown will last?

Looks like the shutdown will continue until the Democrats start taking President Russian Asset’s demands more seriously. This damn US government- not only does it impose an unacceptable tax burden on the wealthy and intrude on their personal affairs with things like audits and, yanno, laws, but it also hands out, for free, things like food, medicine, and education to its citizens. How are Russia and China supposed to compete under these conditions?

So, yeah, a monument to hatred against our closest neighbor it is. All of this free trade, cooperation and hard-working, population-increasing immigration is making America too strong for the Russians’ comfort. After the Dems give in to this shutdown, there’s another one due in October…

As I said: why drown government in a bathtub when you can just close it for lack of funds? The GOP is finally getting rid of our government; it’s been their goal for decades now.

I don’t think that the problems will ever get through to Trump. But I think that food riots (which are coming at the start of February) will be enough to get through to either McConnell, or to enough Senate Republicans to ditch McConnell.

Are the silos going empty?

No, but the food stamp coffers are.

And in the near future run, if this fiasco goes on for long, the farmers who depend on government loans and handouts to plant crops won’t be able to, and the silos will gradually empty if nothing is coming in.

This sounds exciting. Who / where do you think there will be riots? SNAP recipients?

The conspiracy level thinking depends on way too much discipline and control from the Trump Administration and their Republican Party. This is not some secret 4D chess plan. This is more Trump stupidity. The Republicans in the House and Senate were willing to avoid this, so it would only be a matter of time before they’d override the veto if the Trump Administration was going rogue.

The only problem with predicting when this will end is Trump’s stubbornness, not some Grand Plan.

Overriding the veto is the only way I can see this ending. McConnell could make this happen, but it seems like he’s on board the Trump Train on this one (otherwise, he’d have allowed an override vote a lot sooner, knowing how this is damaging Trump and the Republicans).

I don’t understand what senate Repubs are doing here, so I can’t see what the end looks like. Something massive would have to shift the calculus (maybe the House threatens to subpoena Trump’s tax returns, maybe he trades the wall against that). I don’t know.

Yes, of course because of people not getting their SNAP. What the heck do you think happens when people can’t get food?

Keep in mind, many, many Republican voters…are not at all poor. They’re suburban and rural. They’re a minority of the American voting public, but the Republicans gerrymandered their asses off in 2010 and won the electoral college in 2016, which means that they owe their allegiance to a plurality that is white, suburban or rural, and fairly well off. As far as they can tell, the bigger political price to pay is to support blue collar government workers.

Never forget, folks: behind scumbag politicians are millions of scumbag voters. Time to make them a minority. They need to be dominated.

I would guess they’d pay for it themselves, or find someone else to give it to them. Maybe (but I think it unlikely) we’ll get to see first-hand what happens.

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
[COLOR=“White”]…― John Kenneth Galbraith

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True. There are many millions of well-off white suburbanites who do have empathy for fellow Americans, but these mostly vote for Democrats. Trumpists and/or Republicans (is there a difference these days?) behave like the “conservatives” Professor Galbraith described.

See?

Isn’t H.Ditka a Mormon? If things go pear-shaped, he will probably still have the church’s charities to fall back on.

I think he’s like a lot of younger folks who come up in a right-wing environment, kind of indifferent to the idea of “theoretical” harm to other people. It hasn’t hit him yet that this is real and terrible.

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

Aren’t Federal employees something like 80% Democratic? And aren’t most of them based in DC are, which will never vote Republican.

I don’t think the shut down will cost Trump any electoral votes.

They’re a bunch of overpaid government bureaucrats. They’ll be fine.

Loudoun County is quite literally the wealthiest county in the country. It is with that backdrop that we should consider the “plight” they face:

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Yes, the poor dears need free bus fare and food pantries or else they’ll freeze to death.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

There aren’t enough eyerolls on the Internet for that bullshit.

LMAO.

There are federal employees all over the place, and people who depend upon federal employees to be able to do their own jobs even more spread out.

Here, let me try to make it relevant to you. Do you ever make use of a grocery store? A non-negligible portion of a grocery store’s profits come from people using food stamps, and it’s an industry with thin margins. If those food stamps skip a month, a lot of them are going to go out of business, and when that happens, you won’t be able to buy food, either.

What’s your estimate of “a lot”? There are almost 40,000 grocery stores in the United States. How many should we expect will be out of business if SNAP payments don’t go out this month or next?

I dunno, maybe half? I’ven’t seen the statistics.

LOL, alrighty then. I’ll tell you what, I’ll spot you 25% and join you in screaming about how the sky is falling when one quarter of grocery stores go out of business, ok? Hell, I’ll even throw in some singing of your praises and tell you how sorry I am that I voted for Trump and that you were right all along.