Apparently it was Jared Kushner who advised him to stop. Trump wanted to keep fighting but I’ve read that people within the White House were concerned that the base alone wouldn’t be strong enough to withstand the growing backlash against the wall, particularly with FAA showing signs of major strain. His advisors were probably right, but good luck telling his base that.
I wouldn’t doubt it if he comes back in a day or two and claims that this is just a temporary deal and that he’ll shutdown the government again if he doesn’t get funding. By the time of the next deadline, we ought to be seeing the economic damage inflicted by this shutdown, which could make another shutdown a political nightmare.
The conservative backlash is pretty strong from what I’m seeing. I tend to measure by what Fox News is saying, but more so what they are saying on either r/The_Donald or r/Conservative. Ann Coulter has already sounded off.
T_D won’t touch this–they literally are not allowing discussion of Trump’s cave-in in their sub because it’s too much of a downer. Over on r/Conservative, it’s just the repeating of “he caved for nothing. We got screwed” and “the wall will never happen now.”
I feel like there’s a solid 33% who support him and will until his last pinky grasps any discernible power, but for at least right now his main supporters seem to be feeling pretty down in the dumps.
So I’ve seen a few remarks along certain lines, so that’s made me wonder: is this a done deal? Is there still something procedural Trump has to do or sign, thus giving him an opportunity to back out and continue the shutdown? I’m assuming not, because the stories I’ve seen don’t address the possibility, but I was wondering.
He can absolutely back out. The House and Senate have to pass a funding bill, and then Trump has to sign it. If he chooses to veto that bill, the shutdown is not ended.
So when is this all supposed to happen (or happen by)? I obviously haven’t seen that information either. IOW, when will the deal actually go through? When is the shutdown over?
Would it be worse for Trump politically to go through with this or back out, now that he’s already announced he’s caving?
How exactly would that work, for a President of the United States? (I’m assuming that when you say “he has already signed,” you envision him backing out of the deal after he puts pen to paper in the White House. If so, I’m not sure how that would work, practically. What could he actually do as President to “back out”?)
I think that there will be little fallout in the long run for the President from his hard-core supporters. Initially, they won’t like the fact that he “caved”, but they have a tendency to do two things: 1) rationalize away when he doesn’t do what they like, and 2) move on immediately to the next big thing they can get juiced up about.
I was in a bar this afternoon when the President was talking about the deal. A solid Trumpista sitting next to me looked disgusted at first. But then, after what appeared to be a moment of reflection, he noted that, as between getting a wall and getting two or three conservative Supreme Court Justices, the one he was more invested in was the latter. Obviously, in his mind, he was already explaining away the result so that he didn’t have to commit apostasy.
I, personally, am just glad that the President for once gave up on something he was so strongly in favor of. Notice that he didn’t admit he was wrong to refuse to sign a virtually identical CR back in December (I can’t ever imagine him admitting error; he’s like my mom in that regard :mad:). But it’s rare for him to back down and temporize. Now, if only the Congress could put together a REAL immigration reform bill.
A lot of asahi’s correct predictions are like that. 3 days before breaking the record for longest shutdown, he proclaimed this would be the longest shutdown.
Given that I botched the wording of the poll question, I’ll say that the 1 week to 1 month and the 1 to 2 month people predicted it correctly.
I wonder if there was a hidden part of these negotiations that we might never know about. Trump gave in, and as far as I know didn’t get anything in exchange. What I wonder is if he did get something we might not know about. In particular I wonder if Pelosi and Schumer (and maybe other senior Democrats) agreed to avoid any public pronouncements about how they beat Trump or about how Trump is a loser or anything to that effect.
Nah, I don’t think you are. What I’ve heard in the news was that, on Thursday, Mitch had his work cut out for him, keeping the six GOP defections from turning into a stampede. And that was before the air traffic controllers all but shut down LGA yesterday.
IMHO, Trump’s dumb enough to try to shut down the government again, but if he does, Mitch is gonna tell him he’s on his own this time. Trump will back down to him behind the scenes, rather than have his veto overridden publicly.
I agree with this completely. It’ll take a lot more than this to make them tired of all the winning.
Maybe Trump will start a second shutdown then make another whiny call to Mexico, asking them to send replacements willing to work for tips to replace the furloughed.
I’m not sure about what happens next with this. If Cheeto is told that a emergency declaration will be shot down, I think he’ll jump to another shutdown. Or, he hedges his bets on Kavanaugh coming through on the SCOTUS desicion.
If so, it was another wasted demand, because I doubt Pelosi and Schumer would do much of that, anyway. The obvious doesn’t need saying, when everyone from Ann Coulter to the NY Daily News (or was it Post?) is saying it for you, loud and clear. Michelle Obama was right – Democrats tend to (not always, but tend to) take the high road – if only to emphasize that we like facts, we’re practical, this wasn’t personal, just the right thing to do, now let’s move on and fix REAL problems.
But maybe there was a secret agreement to remove our Jupiter missiles from Turkey.
