Vs. Carney’s $1T of Canadian investment moving south?
Two Canadian pipeline builders are already spending billions in the US because they can’t build in Canada. Not one barrel of oil is being stopped by Canada not building it here, but hey, why keep the money in Canada when we can give it to the US and they can benefit from the jobs and tax revenue.
This article sums up how many Canadians feel about this issue (limited gift link).
Conservatives are so frustrated by no deal yet, hahaha! They don’t really care about the deal, I think, they just need something to bang on about. And they’ll find something, no matter the nature of the deal. Because that’s what they do.
Watching them stomp their collective feet, while waiting, is a little amusing to me. I think Carney knows exactly what he’s doing. And most Canadians support him still, because they can see it too.
He’s setting them off, and maintaining voter confidence, by not rising to conservative bait. Working toward his goal with quiet confidence is such a striking contrast to conservative politics. Showing people, is so much more powerful than telling them.
Mean time, PP, with nothing to go on, just keeps banging on. The longer it goes on, the worse he looks, the louder and more outlandish his claims, the more divisive he appears and the better Carney looks.
That’s why Canadians are still standing by him, and will continue to. Next to PP he’s still clearly the adult in the room, I think.
Not exactly a high bar to clear, to be fair.
Fair point.
As I said when he lost the election, he lost it largely because he was utterly incapable of recognizing that the game had completely changed after Trump won, and started all this bullshit. PP just kept on with the “Boy we hate Trudeau!” nonsense, even after Trudeau was out.
And now we see it again. Even after losing an election that he went into with a huge polling lead, he still hasn’t learned his lesson. “Verb the Noun!” is all he has, and appears to be all he’s capable of having. If the Conservatives had any brains, they’d have gone out of their way to turf him before he ran in that by-election, but they’ve spent the last 20 years driving away any conservative-leaning voters that appear to have brains, so now they’re all stuck in the same stupid rut.
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They don’t really care about the deal, I think, they just need something to bang on about. And they’ll find something, no matter the nature of the deal. Because that’s what they do.
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I’m sure the liberals when that are again out of power will be fully supportive of whoever is running the government and won’t ‘oppose’ or criticize anything they do.
What do you think the role of the official opposition is other than to ‘bang on about things’ ? Or do you only object when they point out the incompetence of your favored party? Why does it even upset you? They aren’t in power, they aren’t making the laws or not making the deals that Canada needs to grow. They’re just the noise in the wilderness. It’s those who have been running the show for over 10 years now who are fully responsible for the issues of the day. They made them, they won’t answer for them, and they have no competent plans to fix them. Just increase the bureaucracy and spend taxpayer money. And when it doesn’t work, blame Trump.
Poilievre is such a whiner tho. That’s all he knows how to do. Whine whine whine. Conservatives, this is seriously the best you could do? Should have tried to convince Rona Ambrose.
By comparison, Carney is easily the adult in the room, and PP doesn’t know how to deal with that.
Look, the issue is that all the Conservatives do is criticize. I remember when the reality of Covid gave the economy the massive kick in the nuts in Spring of 2020. The Liberals proposed CERB to support working Canadians. I was watching an interview with Pierre as the then Finance Critic for the Conservatives and all he could do is complain about what a horrible idea it was. The interviewer asked him what the Conservatives would do instead, and his response was it wasn’t their job to come up with ideas, that was the job of the Government.
Which is the crux of the problem. All parties are almost viciously paranoid about laying out their plans for fear of the government “stealing” them. As though the whole point of a liberal society isn’t progressive experimentation in application of policy to further the general welfare. The implementation of good policy is the decider. A good policy badly implemented should see that government replaced by one that can do a better job. Which the Conservatives should be taking advantage of. Canadians want distance between the country and the US. Carney’s obsequious performance with Trump without actual plans to use the space that behaviour is giving us should be the space where the Conservatives exist. Would the Conservatives, poach H1-B visa holders from the US, funding/expanding university funding to capture highly skilled US researchers, or expand the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg with CDC “refugees”? Should we be holding, and excluding the Americans, conferences on healthy social media regulations/AI regulations.
Instead we get “you should stop opposing digging up more tar sands and shipping it to the US”
The problem seems, to me at least, that the current conservatives can’t understand having a priority that isn’t all about money. Tell them that you’re most concerned about maintaining Canadian sovereignty, even if it costs us a lot, and all they can do is complain about taxes and lost investments.
Yes, that sucks, and if they could actually articulate a plan that gave us national security and low taxes, and high investments, then we’d take a look at them. But such a plan is not apparent, and is probably nearly impossible with Trump around. So my priority is to keep the country out of Trump’s hands. We can worry about fixing everything else after he’s no longer actively trying to break it all.
How about providing an alternate vision of how to govern? How about making concrete proposals about what they’d do if they were in power, and explain how they would result in a better Canada?
This has been one of the key sources of failing for the Conservatives over the past decade. They have spent all their energy explaining to us why we should hate Trudeau as much as they do, but no energy at all explaining why they’re worth supporting. I mean, besides supporting anything and everything the oil companies want to do.
What Canadians want and what is possible are two different things. The US is our largest trading partner. It will take decades to replace a small portion of that trade with other parts of the world.
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Instead we get “you should stop opposing digging up more tar sands and shipping it to the US”
I’m pretty sure that they want pipelines east, west and north as well. And the policies that prevent it, and other important investments, like mining, house building, etc., gone. As any sane person who is more interested in building Canada rather than just doing the chicken dance.
I know what their policies are and what they plan on doing if they form the government. I can only assume that the official voice of the Liberal party, the CBC, isn’t informing you of that.
I said besides doing anything and everything that the oil companies want.
And I answered ‘mining, house building, etc.’. They proposed a 1 year maximum review on all projects, not just oil and gas, along with reduced duplication and regulations.
Yes, yes, I’m aware they have a full platform. They do a piss poor job of communicating any aspects of it besides Liberals bad and Oil good, though.
If you ever had any credibility here, you’ve lost it now.
Again, I know about it. Why don’t you? Are the Liberals good at communicating their strategy? Or are we left with…
There’s an assumption with little evidence. Because you haven’t heard about something means that something is happening rather than a better assumption that nothing, is in fact, happening.
What have you heard about later that disproves this? What has actually improved? Major projects announced for sure. How many of them suffered because of the overzealous regulations that prevented reasonable and consistent approvals? The conservatives want approvals down to one year. That kind of resolves the issue of even having this extra layer of bureaucracy (having to get on the PM’s good list - probably through some form of ‘facilitation’ payment, I assume) doesn’t it?
Again, Canadians settling for mediocracy while the US eats our lunch. If Trump gets industry moving back to the US, he has no reason to deal with Carney or worry about ‘elbows up’ Canadians.
Actually, the evidence is more likely he is doing things that are in the best interests of Brookfield.
Regardless of what you think of Pierre’s arguing style it doesn’t negate the fact that Carney doesn’t seem to understand that oil is fungible and a barrel of oil produced outside of Canada will pollute as much as one produced inside of Canada and one not produced within Canada will still be produced outside of Canada to our economy’s detriment. Or, far more likely he knows and is trying to justify his actions with blather.
What you are trusting now is that he will do what is best for Canada now that he is PM, rather than when he did what was good for Brookfield when he worked for them (at the potential detriment of Canadians). Good thing all those other conflicts of interest are over and in a blind trust (so we can’t see them).