Omarosa doesn’t count.
Twice, you say? What happened to the first one?
A downturn in the economy and the real estate market, combined with a few mistakes which he has been frank in admitting.
Did he build his empires because of upturns in the economy and real estate market?
No thanks, I’d prefer a president who plans and prepares for bad times, and maybe even avoids them.
Probably. But how many other people had the foresight, intelligence, discipline, credibility with investors, savvy in dealing with banks, contractors, architects, managers and the almost limitless other qualities that allowed him to ride that uptick to where he is now? About 1 in 300 million would be my guess.
Did Hillary plan, prepare for and avoid defeat by Obama? Of course the answer is no, and I’ll wager you’ll be voting for her anyway.
Scratch any successful person and you’ll find they’ve failed at some time in their history. Often several times. It’s unrealistic and foolish to expect to elect a candidate who’s never failed at anything.
How many had the foresight, etc. to avoid the downturn?
Oh sure, however…
…if someone touts their business success as an asset, it’s fair to bring up their failures.
…I expect someone to be equally realistic about their successes and failures. It’s not fair to say “my success is a unique result of my brilliance, 1 in 300 million; my failure was part of a downturn, coulda happened to anybody.” What were these mistakes that Trump has been so frank in admitting?
…Trump wouldn’t be risking just his fortune as president, he’d be risking all of ours. Two fortunes and one bust? I don’t like those odds. I’ll take slow, sustained growth for the economy, thanks.
…running a country is not the same as running a business. Being good at one doesn’t mean you’ll be any good at the other.
Certainly. I never said otherwise.
IIRC, he said that part of the problem was that he made some bad decisions. (I trust you’re not going try to use his candor to suggest that anyone elected president should be someone who’s never made any bad decisions. Because, you know, that would be both unrealistic and silly.)
Well, then, you should like Trump. His history is roughly fifty years of sustained growth with a two year blip in the middle, from which he recovered magnificently.
And it doesn’t mean you won’t be either. I’ll take Trump’s savvy and experience and negotiating talent and proven ability to get complex and difficult things done over an empty sack like Obama or a whatever-she-is-who-can-say candidate like Hillary Clinton any day.
The four business bankruptcies, do they not count for some reason?
See, amid all the other stuff about Trump, he strikes me as someone who has always been out for himself; lend his name to something, get other people to invest, and when it goes down the tubes he gets to walk away. Trump bought a team in the USFL and pushed for the league to move its season from the spring to the fall, where it failed and the whole league folded. The Trump golf course in Puerto Rico declared bankruptcy this past summer. What do his partners in those failed ventures think of him?
Sounds once again like the old “he was born on third base and goes through life thinking that he hit a triple.”
And this point is silly, Trump also ran for the presidency before and lost, with much worse results that Hillary.
And that is why I will vote for Hillary.
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And it doesn’t mean you won’t be either. I’ll take Trump’s savvy and experience and negotiating talent and proven ability to get complex and difficult things done over an empty sack like Obama or a whatever-she-is-who-can-say candidate like Hillary Clinton any day.
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As secretary of state Clinton was one of the voices that convinced Obama to take the risk and get Bin Laden.
The only advise that Trump has given to republicans in power is to stand aside, but that does include Republican senators that advised him to stay away from Arpaio. Again, Trump is an incompetent for that and many other reasons, or he still knows that he did go to bed with a fellow that was judged by the courts to be breaking laws against discrimination, likely now to be in contempt of court, abusing his power by investigating the family of the judge that is presiding in his contempt of court case, and bankrupting the county; and Trump does not care because he is like Arpaio indeed.
Denying science would not be bad in itself too but knowing that Trump denies science that has deep implication in future regulations for the USA is also a sign of incompetence for higher office.
Turning a million into 2 billion (which is what he was worth when things went south) is the same as turning $1 into $2,000. You might want to poo poo the dollar he was given to start out, but he was hardly on third base in becoming a multi-billionaire. (And don’t forget, he’s done that twice.)
He did? When was that, exactly?
:rolleyes:
Connections do make a lot of a difference in America, and turning $1 into 2,000 is not the same when one starts with a lot of money, leverage and other tools facilitate the effort to get much more money.
More recently he tried in 2011 but failed to even run and also his choice in the end was a bad one.
Too bad she couldn’t convince her husband to do the same a few years earlier.
A mistake that she corrected as mentioned, of curse she was the first lady then, and we know that she would had been crucified if it was demonstrated that she told Bill what to do. But thank you for reminding all that Bush failed to get him in Tora Bora and then to shut up all then Bush invaded Iraq to show that he was doing something.
Not sure what that did, but Bin Laden was declared to be “not important” by Bush by then.
Getting back to subject:
One big reason to not let Trump become president (besides all the ones mentioned already) his tax plan is fantasy and even conservatives say so.
Also in line with the OP, I’ve found that Trump’s cluelessness and thought that he’s above the law, no matter how minor the law might be, to be a stunning endorsement for someone else.
You mean like that Kennedy kid (long since dead from rampant stupidity) that had a shitload of unpaid parking tickets till he was hired to be a major legal big wig or some such?
The Kennedy family is hardly relevant to this conversation, but yes. That standard should be applied both ways.
Is that the only thing you object to of the links given? I’ve donated the exact same amount as he has for the years it listed Trump gave nothing to his own charity. In terms of real money that Trump has donated to all charities, I’m sure he has devoted more than I. In terms of percentage of money earned, compared to money given, I think not only I, but that many would be way out in front of him although it’s hard to say. It just seems suspicious to me that he is really all that much more giving to other charities, when he done so little to giving to his own. So, in twenty years, he can’t but muster up but 3.7 million dollars for his own charity? That link describes other charities he has also given to.
My own charity rarely goes to organized ones, but it is far more than money, it’s also my time and labor I’ve devoted to helping individuals and families rebuilding their homes, fixing their cars for free, and waiving rent for many dozens of individuals over the years, when I felt like circumstances were warranted. I especially like when others ask me to teach them some skill set, which is what I really prefer because I feel like it gives them the most self-worth.
If Trump is a bigger and ardent philanthropist than others including myself are aware of, I figured he’d be the first to tell us, but unfortunately for him, others continue to run what he says through fact checkers, and it rarely paints him in the light he prefers others to perceive him.
TSG closes with:
So far as I could discern, the other links were fair support for the claims being made. The link I objected to was not.
But you’re not stingy. Because you have other charitable activities, and the mere fact that you gave nothing to the Trump Foundation is insufficient to conclude you’re stingy. Right?
Right, not conclusive, but if the links are accurate, I do think they give fairly sufficient clues as to how giving he really is. TSG went over his tax returns for twenty years, and they cited other charities, but his giving seemed just as paltry to other charities as to his own foundation.
I think you’d agree Trump would not be shy in enlightening us in more detail as to his other philanthropic contributions if they are as HUGE as he would like for us to believe.