Huckabee trims costs, press travel
Probably a coinkydink.
The Confederate battle flag ceased to be a “purely internal matter” when it was hoisted against Union soldiers to preserve slavery. So, no; it is all of America’s business whenever it is raised again.
Wait till you see Dennis Kucinich in action.
Seems to me you’re saying that SC is screwing its citizens over by insisting on policies that will drive business away from the state.
But since I’m not a South Carolinian, I can’t have any opinion on that.
Since you readily concede those supportive owners are principled, are you saying that, when it comes to the principles of justice, fairness and integrity, if there’s enough money to be made (or other material gains), people who hold those principles as important should just abandon them?
I’m glad that those who undertook the Montgomery bus boycott, desegregation of Little Rock schools, etc., weren’t so easily swayed by material things.
Apparently, the NCAA hasn’t conceded that its acceptable.
Not to mention its use by the KKK and other racists groups to protest against the civil rights movement and desegregation.
I would certainly be angered at their decision to oppose gay rights, but I wouldn’t be stupid enough to suggest that they shouldn’t be allowed to have (or express) an opinion on the subject.
I don’t really know how I feel about the flag being flown at a war memorial. I do see a distinct difference between flying it at a memorial, and flying it over the state house. I’m not sure if that difference is enough to make me okay with the former.
No idea where this “dig them up” shit is coming from. No, I don’t think we should desecrate American war dead. I think that’s a position I’m fairly comfortable in taking.
Do folks living in Greenville or Charleston not get a say about what flies over the state house, seeing as they’re in a different city? If they do, why? Why draw the line of “us versus them” at the state border, and not the county border?
And who gets to decide what is and is not an internal matter? Seems to me, the only people in South Carolina who are objecting to “outsiders” interfering with their state are the people who support flying that flag. The folks in South Carolina who want the flag removed seem to be okay with the out-of-state support. Why do the opinions of the folks in favor of the flag over-ride the opinions of the folks who wanted the flag removed?
I used to vote against Huck in state primaries. 
I think he’s aiming for the VP slot, as is Edwards.
These aren’t “American” war dead. These are war dead that fought AGAINST the United States and supported, fought, and died for the ideals of the flag that you and others are calling racist and other nasty names.
So, if that flag is that bad, then what does that say of these war dead? And why should South Carolina have a memorial to them on the capitol grounds? We should uproot the memorial, right?
And my home state (Florida) actually celebrates Robert E. Lee’s birthday as a state holiday! Imagine that. Instead of just flying a silly flag, all state employees, black, white, and hispanic, get the day off to celebrate the birthday of Robert E. Lee, the greatest general of the South, a slaveholder, who fought under the flag we all hate. Boycott Florida?
Where does it stop? Where does southern pride become acceptable, if anywhere?
Of course they’re American war dead. That was the point of the war. We won, so they’re ours now.
No, not right. The war memorial is about more than just the flag, just as the war itself was about more than just slavery. The decision in 1962 to put that flag atop the state house was, on the other hand, solely and expressly done as a racist sentiment. Context matters. The context of the Confederate battle flag in 1865 was quite a bit different than that of the Confederate navy jack in 1962.
I’ve no problem with recognizing Robert E. Lee’s birthday. He was, by most any measure, a great man. He was on the wrong side of a terrible and difficult war, but that doesn’t make him an evil man. He wasn’t perfect. As you said, he owned slaves, as did everyone from his class in his culture, but he treated them better than most of his contemporaries, and freed them before he died.
Who has said that Southern pride is unacceptable? Has the South never done anything noteworthy other than lose spectacularly in an ill-advised and morally insupportable war? I rather think there’s more to Southern culture than that.
Just a thought-- possibly “southern pride” would be more acceptable if it didn’t define itself by enshrining those elements least worthy of pride. The Confederate flag is the classic example-- never a true symbol of the antebellum South, it only represents a few bitter years of war to defend a shameful practice. That flag doesn’t represent pride, but arrogance.
We just had a federal holiday honoring a great southerner, Atlanta’s own MLK Jr. In a few weeks we’ll honor George Washington. These southerners are admired nationwide, and justly so. There’s plenty for the south to be proud of, but the Confederate flag isn’t one of them.
Aren’t you thinking of Washington? I thought that General Lee’s slaves were freed by the Thirteenth Amendment, which came into force in December 1865? Lee died in 1870.
He did free the slaves he inherited from his father-in-law, but that was required by his father-in-law’s will. Lee kept those slaves for the full five years permitted under the will: Lee as a slaveholder. As for treating them better than his contemporaries did, he appears to have had some slaves who had escaped and were re-captured whipped by the county constable. Was that not the normal attitude of his contemporaries?
Are there actually Confederate soldiers buried on the Capitol grounds? Or is the memorial just a slab of stone? And why do they insist on the historically inaccurate flag–which did, indeed, become the symbol of the Segregationists?
Hey–the NCAA could just send its white players!
(From Texas–where we didn’t let any passing fads affect The Lone Star!)
Oh, yeh? Well, Ron Paul was photographed with the owner of Stormfront and his son! (Why hasn’t that got more play, I wonder?)
It is. The NCAA goes through the lists of states, and fairly checks each one to see if there are any factors they consider disqualifying, and then evaluates the remaining candidates.
Oh, yeah? Well, Al Gore was photographed with Fred Phelps, Jr.. Wanna play that one up?
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There’s not even an indication from your link that Paul even knew who the hell those guys were. It looks like he was signing autographs in a crowded lobby and someone asked if they could snap a picture. Jesus, BrainGlutton, that’s way beneath you.
And it’s a slur to the majority of the voting men and women living in South Carolina who have supported the removal of the Confederate battle flag. It was their votes who elected both Houses that removed the flag.
Actually, if you want to get technical, Huckabee is an “outsider.”
I’m not wild about his son for other reasons. Earlier in the campaign he was arrested trying to take a weapon aboard a plane.
I’ve got no clue what I was thinking. Yeah, he kinda had to free his slaves before he died, seeing as he lost the war to free the slaves. :smack:
Because Paul as a candidate is not worth the trouble.
Was that the fat one? 
And/or the animal torturer?