[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Was that the fat one? 
And/or the animal torturer?
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They’re both fat. Must be something in the Huckabee Y chromosome, because the daughters, while not slim, really can’t be called “fat”. Huckabee himself, if we remember, lost about 100 lbs recently, so he’s a former porker.
[QUOTE=jsgoddess]
Because Paul as a candidate is not worth the trouble.
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And what’s your reasoning about Gore’s photograph with the Phelps family?
[QUOTE=Liberal]
And what’s your reasoning about Gore’s photograph with the Phelps family?
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As far as I know, Gore isn’t running. Lots of people would love to know if that’s not true, so be sure to share the info.
[QUOTE=jsgoddess]
As far as I know, Gore isn’t running. Lots of people would love to know if that’s not true, so be sure to share the info.
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Nice dodge. He was running when he courted the Phelps family. Why you cannot simply tell BrainGlutton that his link to the picture is an irrelevant low blow is a mystery, but apparently whatever problem you have with me is more important to you than simply being decent about something. There was no point in even bringing up that photo. Doing so was idiotic in its conception. Paul was obviously just signing autographs with no knowledge about who those people were. We still don’t know who they are, other than the word of some obscure blogger. And the fact that you’re fighting against me rather than BrainGlutton speaks volumes about you and your agenda.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Nice dodge. He was running when he courted the Phelps family. Why you cannot simply tell BrainGlutton that his link to the picture is an irrelevant low blow is a mystery, but apparently whatever problem you have with me is more important to you than simply being decent about something. There was no point in even bringing up that photo. Doing so was idiotic in its conception. Paul was obviously just signing autographs with no knowledge about who those people were. We still don’t know who they are, other than the word of some obscure blogger. And the fact that you’re fighting against me rather than BrainGlutton speaks volumes about you and your agenda.
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I think you are a fucking loser idiot.
I answered a question about why more wasn’t being made of the photo. More isn’t being made of the photo because Paul is a nonentity. If Paul were in the running, more would be made of the photo. This has zero to do with my opinion of the photo. It is an answer to the goddamn question, you fucking loser idiot.
Have a nice day.
[QUOTE=jsgoddess]
I think you are a fucking loser idiot.
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I thank yur purdy. 
[QUOTE=Liberal]
There’s not even an indication from your link that Paul even knew who the hell those guys were. It looks like he was signing autographs in a crowded lobby and someone asked if they could snap a picture. Jesus
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Just like it looks like someone else wrote racist articles in his newsletter without him knowing anything about it. Yeah.
Those coincidences keep adding up, don’t they?
testing
[QUOTE=jtgain]
These aren’t “American” war dead. These are war dead that fought AGAINST the United States and supported, fought, and died for the ideals of the flag that you and others are calling racist and other nasty names.
So, if that flag is that bad, then what does that say of these war dead? And why should South Carolina have a memorial to them on the capitol grounds? We should uproot the memorial, right?
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I’m not quite sure what snide point you think you are or are not making. But to answer your question: How to deal with memorialization of the confederacy is a tricky question, and one I think reasonable people can disagree on. Confederate war dead were still brave young American men who went off to war, for a cause they believed in, and came home in coffins. That is a great tragedy, and one worth remembering. But that cause was evil. Or at least, parts of that cause. It’s not something I think there’s one pat and easy answer to. I do, however, suspect that there are situations in which this ambiguity is exploited… a monument that should be to the war dead also celebrates the glory of the confederacy itself, etc.
In any case, it is clearly a distinct issue from a flag flying over the state house, and thus symbolically being a symbol for the present government of and people of the state as a whole.
[QUOTE=jtgain]
And my home state (Florida) actually celebrates Robert E. Lee’s birthday as a state holiday! Imagine that. Instead of just flying a silly flag, all state employees, black, white, and hispanic, get the day off to celebrate the birthday of Robert E. Lee, the greatest general of the South, a slaveholder, who fought under the flag we all hate. Boycott Florida?
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Well, we could boycott Florida, but it’d be a shame, since
a) I live here too, and
b) We don’t actually celebrate Robert E. Lee’s birthday as a state holiday.
Holidays observed by the State of Florida
Thanks for playing, though.
[QUOTE=Miller]
Who has said that Southern pride is unacceptable? Has the South never done anything noteworthy other than lose spectacularly in an ill-advised and morally insupportable war? I rather think there’s more to Southern culture than that.
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In some ways, that’s a terrible tragedy of them all. Last year, Virginia celebrated the 400th anniversary of the founding of Jamestown. Even though our history as an English colony and a state stretches back 400 years, 90% of the time, it seems, when people talk about Virginia history, they talk about the Civil War, which only lasted 4 years…1% of our history.
Virginia is the “Mother of Presidents”…8 US presidents were born in Virginia, more than in any other state. We are the home of the first coal mine in America, and the first school for the deaf. We began the cultivation of tobacco, America’s first cash crop. Virginians are responsible for the creation of the Father’s Day holiday. Richmond was the first city in the world to have electric streetcars. We’re the home of Douglas Wilder, who was both the first black state senator in the US in the 20th century, and the first black US governor. Virginians have fought, died, and provided leadership in all of America’s wars. We’ve contributed to the United States in all sorts of ways, and it’s insulting when the entirety of Virginia’s history gets summed up by people with the words “Civil War”
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
Well, we could boycott Florida, but it’d be a shame, since
a) I live here too, and
b) We don’t actually celebrate Robert E. Lee’s birthday as a state holiday.
Holidays observed by the State of Florida
Thanks for playing, though.
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From the Florida Code:
Thank you for playing, and remember, just because YOU don’t personally get a paid day off from work doesn’t affect the status of a legal holiday..
ETA: Also Confederate Memorial Day and Jefferson Davis’ birthday. Which is worse, flying a “racist” flag or having state sanction days which honor leaders of the “racist” people who fly the “racist” flag?
[QUOTE=jtgain]
From the Florida Code:
Thank you for playing, and remember, just because YOU don’t personally get a paid day off from work doesn’t affect the status of a legal holiday..
ETA: Also Confederate Memorial Day and Jefferson Davis’ birthday. Which is worse, flying a “racist” flag or having state sanction days which honor leaders of the “racist” people who fly the “racist” flag?
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It’s not a question of whether I personally get a paid day off from work. It’s whether state employees do, as you claimed, which they… don’t.
Courthouses, universities, state troopers, and the legislature will all be at work on January 19th. As will every other state employee.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
It’s not a question of whether I personally get a paid day off from work. It’s whether state employees do, as you claimed, which they… don’t.
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I stand corrected about getting a paid day off. But it is still a legal holiday.
[QUOTE=jtgain]
I stand corrected about getting a paid day off. But it is still a legal holiday.
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I suppose we can call that one a tie, then.
Huckabee is a big hick…
… Hickabee
You know, this whole Iowa win has given hickabee too much of a false hope. He would have been long gone otherwise. T
That’s not to say Obama’s win there wasn’t significant. Obama’s a different story…
[QUOTE=JohnnieEnigma]
Huckabee is a big hick..
.. Hickabee
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And yet Huckabee is the one being accused of bigotry. :rolleyes:
Look, I’m no Huckabee fan, and I really don’t want to get into a Confederate flag debate (for the record, I don’t think the flag should be flown over the statehouse), but I think it’s a mistake to assume that every white Southerner who feels strongly about that flag must necessarily be racist.
[QUOTE=JohnnieEnigma]
He would have been long gone otherwise.
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He is trying for Vice President. The argument being that he would bring the South, evangelicals, dog killers and those who conceal and carry at airport checkpoints to the Dark Side.
[QUOTE=spoke-]
I think it’s a mistake to assume that every white Southerner who feels strongly about that flag must necessarily be racist.
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I think the point is that people believe white southerners who feel strongly about that flag should nonetheless understand that while it may be a source of pride (although I don’t understand why) for them, it is a symbol of misery for others.
That said, I think people certainly do believe white Southerners who feel strongly about that flag might be racist. As a nonwhite, I’d certainly think twice before, say, entering a bar where it was prominently displayed.