Look in the mirror.
And that’s such a problem that a rule probably never invoked was used specifically to deal with a poster who stuck to two pit threads? One that he created and one where he was a target of a pitting from a prolific pitter.
Now be honest, if we had a poll asking about that one particular rule about pit posting frequency how many people do you think would be aware prior to reading the poll question?
Because it’s the Pit! People have used far worse language directed at me. Hey, I’d report language violations that were clearly known and the offenders would get a farcical reminder. Was that language designed to make me feel overjoyed?
No. But since I’m not part of an organized clique/in-group making me upset isn’t trolling it’s a feature of the pit. It’s a “safety valve” for those with no restraint.
The pit is for venting frustration, not for causing it. Granted, there is some accidental overlap, but purposely trying to piss ppl off is straight up trolling.
My personal thoughts, but if you think this was about him saying mean names, you’re wrong. Huey wasn’t here to participate in discourse or discussion. He was here to attack other posters. All he did was attack people in the Pit. That’s troll behavior.
Imagine if every time a poster shared some story of a personal nature, or some tragedy they experienced, Huey was there to take that element of sharing and use it to incessantly attack that poster in the Pit? Would that be okay? If someone has a kid who dies of cancer and shares that story, is it okay for Huey to use that kid’s cancer death to attack a poster (hypothetical) would that be okay? That they were better off dead because they wouldn’t have to deal with a poster? If not, then there is a line somewhere even in the Pit that is jerk and troll behavior. And if that was all they ever did?
That type of attack is destructive to community because it closes off any incentive to form community. Why bother participating when people like him will use any and all manner to attack you over it.
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It’s destructive to the “community”…which is white and not ‘woke’.
I’d also add that it’s white and male and not woke. There’s just as much blind-spot misogyny as there is blind-spot racism here. I don’t accept people to agree or get it.
Whatever.
…I question this characterization.
This is one of Huey’s threads.
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=858382
It wasn’t full of 'nothing on the board but invective-filled screeds against other posters". There are invective-filled screeds in that thread: but no more than one would expect in the pit. Huey was not posting inflammatory comments solely to get a rise out of people. If he was then the genuine apology he gave to Guinastasia (after the misunderstanding was explained to him )in the ATMB thread would have made absolutely no sense at all. His most recent posts may have been 100% “attacking other posters”, but were those attacks unprovoked? Was he just spontaneously calling out random dopers or was he responding to people that were attacking him? And if people were attacking him in order to get him to respond are they not “trolling him?”
If people attack you in the pit: are you obligated not to respond lest you get accused of being a troll?
I’m a brown person on a board that is dominated by white voices. I’m normally pretty fucking quiet about it. But I sick and tired of this shit. Huey was an angry black man living a life that almost nobody on these board understands anything about. We live in a time where white literal white supremacists hold power. Where marginalized people are not heard. And you make this decision? Seriously?
If Huey wasn’t “playing by the rules” then the correct time to address that was when he broke those rules. But to let him “misbehave” then ban him on the pretext of trolling is massively disingenuous. You never banned Morgenstern. You allow Slacker to get away with bigoted, offensive posts against Muslims. You didn’t ban Shagnasty for being shagnasty to women. But Huey gets banned for this?
Really? You’ve gleaned all that from reading THIS board?
LOL.
Oh, this beard is coming in well! The difference is that I am better than you. (I give a dismissive wave) Begone, peasant!
I actually thought the stuff he posted (in reply to me, wasn’t it?) about white people being inbred was kind of interesting.
What he said about you, though? That was beyond the pale. :eek: There was no argument being made. I know some people will say that’s the point of the Pit, to hit people with OTT insults, but I don’t really respect that outlook.
This, this, and this ^
Let’s be real: SDMB is a white space. I know they want to think of themselves as “progressive” and “intellectual” but they will never have the black experience. And if a person is truly an intellectual, they will have some humility. And if white moderators and posters on SDMB have some humility, they will acknowledge that they have no idea what the black experience is like. I couldn’t give two shits if they voted for Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton or whoever - doesn’t mean shit. Having the humility to acknowledge that you lack perspective means accepting that there are voices out there that are going to make you uncomfortable, and you’re better off listening, even if we continue to disagree.
Even after reading your post, I still think the almost exclusively white audience here will write Huey off as a troll. I’ve got to be completely, 1000% fucking percent honest: this is not the best of SDMB. THis is not fighting ignorance. This is succumbing to ignorance. I’m sure I’ll get private messages from mods telling me I can go somewhere else, and they’re right, I can. But if they do that, if they go that route, then I don’t ever fucking want to hear about how this is a place that fights ignorance, because if they take that step, it’ll be prove positive that this is just another fucking white space on the internet - like there aren’t enough of those.
Listen, shit ass, I am better than you because I know so much more about life and the world than you. You are a fucking slave.
Well, I wasn’t personally offended as I said, because obviously it was only an attempt at trolling.
I did, however, find it quite offensive to others here who may have gone through similiar ordeals. Because people with disabilities and illnesses also have to deal with a fucking lot of stigmas as well. Maybe not the same ones black people do, but they’re there. And Huey’s comments were below the belt.
Said “misunderstanding” had to be explained over and over and over, repeatedly. And the apology was “I’m sorry if I offended you”. Not to mention I find it quite hypocritcal that he gets angry when he thinks (wrongly) people are attacking his wife – yet he gets to insult the families of others?
The comments about peoples’ children here, incidentally, were not immediately provoked, but a comment about white people being autistic due to inbreeding. When several parents pointed out that they had autistic children, Huey took it upon himself to attack their “retarded inbred children”.
Well, normally yes. However, if your only intent is to post in the Pit, and not participate anywhere else, people get the impression you’re a troll. Also, I believe part of the reason, at least with in my own case, that people felt he was insincere is because we’ve had people like Huey before. They come here, only post on one subject, one subject only. They aren’t interested in learning the customs of the place, or getting to know anyone, they only want to preach about a cause. And when it’s said, “Hey, chill dude.” Or “You might want to check out the rest of the place, get to know the way thing work around here”, you’re immediately accused of being against their cause, or that you’re only saying that because you’re against them. It’s happened with all kinds of topics. People told Huey – hey, no offense, nothing personal, we’re only a bit skeptical because of past history. And you should KNOW this. You KNOW this place attracts trolls.
So that makes it okay to be hateful, and use slurs against women and the disabled? I certainly think that our society is royally fucked up when it comes to race. But I also find the idea that if you’re a member of a marginalized group, that gives you a free pass to be hateful to people who are also marginalized. It doesn’t excuse a black man from being a homophobe, for example, or an Asian man from hating Jews, or Muslims from mistreating women, etc. It doesn’t excuse a gay man from using racial slurs. And that’s what pissed people off.
There, I can agree. I definitely feel the mods dropped the ball, and a lot of people should’ve been banned long before they finally were. Not to mention the people who were banned for stupid reasons.
We’ve established that SDMB is a message board for white males.
Good to know.
But Guin, don’t complain if a white guy comes along and proves it to you.
Dude, not cool. Not cool at all.
Report me to the Mods!
Have me banned!
Ban anyone who offends you! I even said for the record I wasn’t cool with Huey’s comments, but that’s not enough, is it?
Now I know why Huey hated your ass
…imagine living while black in Trump’s America.
You’ve got white supremacists regularly visiting the oval office, flashing white supremacist symbols, then pretending that they didn’t.
Imagine a world where a racist like Steve Bannon sat in a position of influence with the most powerful person in the planet. Where Stephen Miller is actually helping to set policy.
Imagine you live in a country that has the largest prison population in the world, where black people are a disproportionate amount of that population.
Imagine a world where your ancestors were bought to your country as slaves, they were treated as sub-human, imagine a world where there are black people living right now who once didn’t have the right to vote.
Imagine a world where you might not get a job or the lease on a house because you name is “too black.” A world where discrimination is so commonplace and so overt and so casual that many white people don’t even notice it happens.
Now imagine living in this world and a poster in the pit says:
Because thats the world we actually live in. This is what they are fighting against. Its an uphill battle and they are loosing. The anger that Huey expressed here: that isn’t unique to Huey. There is real fear and anger out there. You aren’t hearing it because as I’ve argued over and over again on these boards we’ve locked ourselves into our own personally curated feedback loops: we choose to only hear from the people that we want to hear. You aren’t hearing black voices. Because (apart from the obvious insults and the autism conspiracy theories) what Huey had to say really isn’t all that different from what black people are saying.
Huey took personal information **twice **and used that to attack people. And in one of those cases Huey realized that he had made a mistake and that he apologized for it. I think you are vastly mis-characterizing the nature of Huey’s “crimes.” Its the fucking pit for fucks sakes. If you want to have limits on what people say then make those limits crystal fucking clear.
Miller makes it crystal clear in the OP that this isn’t the reason for Huey’s banning. So are you arguing for a change in the rules? Do you want to codify “not being able to use a kids cancer to attack another poster” into the rules? Well if you do that can we codify not being allowed to say crap like
as well?
Then deal with it when it happens. Make a rule against it. Moderate it. But stop pretending that this is why he was banned. “That type of destructive attack” is not trolling. Its something else completely.
How exactly was, I’ll put it succinctly, ‘Hey Whitey, FUCK YOU’ fighting ignorance exactly?
‘Cause I really didn’t see Huey being that interested in "fighting ignorance’ . . . just plain fighting on the other hand…
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