I am in despair

Stoid’s a she, newbie.

Yet as a recognized “faith-based organization”, the Church of Scientology is in line to take your tax dollars for funding their version of privatized social services …

Yes, keep gloating little ovines. Gloat when the war goes bad in Iraq. Gloat when you get laid off from your job. Gloat when your children die from poisoned groundwater. Gloat when the feds are in your house. Gloat when Bush’s criminal invasion of Iraq causes a major escalation in worldwide terrorism. Gloat when Dick Cheney’s corporate butt-buddies abscond with your 401k. Gloat away little ovines. You sure showed those liberals.

I am just so happy to live under the kind rule of Sheikh Zayed. I may not vote for him, but nor do I have to pay him taxes.

Sheikh Zayed is my ruler, and I am grateful. He is so much better than Bush or Blair, and an icon of national pride rather than embarrassment.

Nah…It just shows that the population is starting to think for themselves, instead of voting dem, because “That’s what mom & dad voted!”.

We had a similar problem in the great Commonwealth of Virginia, until people came to their senses, and realized that the democratic party did not represent their beliefs anymore. There are still a few hangers-on, as evident by the few dem reps that were elected, but in a few years I expect republicans will rule Virginia.

Is this a good thing? Who knows…But at least people are actually paying attention to the issues, and voting what they believe. (Rather than just doing it because their ancestors did)

Yes, one has to take the long view, as well as the broad one. Nothing much has changed substantively - we still have a split Congress, one which very rarely produces party-line votes because of members’ dependence more on voter support than on party membership (a concept which observers from parliamentary countries often fail to fully grasp while still shallowly criticizing it - that means you, Sam and Rick).

We’ll still see attempts at partisan ramrodding be resisted by members with their own welfare at stake, like we always have. Attempts to do so will be punished the next time (and the deep significance of our absolutely-fixed schedule for doing so is also sometimes a problem for others who don’t live with it).

I’ll join in the sadness that so many of us respond too much to style and not enough to substance. That hasn’t changed, either.

Have you thought of taking your talent and turning it into a money making venture?

“Candidate, I would appreciate a donation in the amount of $5000 or I will vote for you and you will subsequently lose.” :smiley:

If that’s what makes you “despair”, the lettuce crop failure must have sent you right over the edge.

Wrapups, for anybody who’s interested.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/11/06/elec02.main.wrap/index.html

Jennifer Granholm won in Michigan–yay! I just love the idea of a governor named “Jennifer”. :smiley:

And partisan politics aside, I’m happy for Elizabeth Dole. Go Libby!

Uhhhh, yeah. Lucky you. Your country treats its women like shit, making them nothing more than property, and Zayed does nothing about this repression of half the population.

That alone makes him lower than whaleshit.

That should be “a brown pit of overwhelming bullshit”.
Hysterical overreaction and name-calling = losing strategy.
Or do some of you enjoy being disrespected and ineffectual?
Think about it.

I think you got whooshed, Scylla.

Or maybe that’s just wishful thinking.

Thanks for the info, RTA.

Jeez Stoid, I just read the OP again and I’d like to thank you for the best comedy bit I’ve seen in ages. You’ve at least got your finger right on the pulse of my humor vein, if not that of political reality.

Frankly speaking, why not just build a hidden refuge under a staircase to hide from all us Republinazis who are so giddy and mad and hellbent on horrifying the masses with unchecked power? Maybe you could keep a diary and share it with us here. I’m sure it would be good for a Big Smile! Big Smile!

Gotta hurry up and impeach Dubya before the new Congress takes over and stops it. Hell, that’s what happened last time, ain’t it?

Perhaps power will bring a sense of responsibility to DeLay and Lott now (teehee, just kidding).

I wasn’t being serious. I meant that if it really is as bad as all that and the government turns into an evil entity then there are still options, just unpleasant ones. However it is over the top because Stoid’s OP was, as are some of the supporting responses.

People get too into politics because it gives them the illusion of control over what’s going on around them. I don’t think there is enough passion in the average politician to make them dangerous. They don’t care about the issues they care about the elections. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong for better or worse now but I doubt it.

Assumptions of this post:

  1. Stoid’s OP was not tongue in cheek
  2. Stoid truly believes Republicans automatons will soon be marching through the streets enacting Republican justice.

Dear Stoid,
Please kindly see fit to stuff you overly melodramatic wailings in a sack.
“My God, one party holds both houses of Congress and the White House! We will never survive. Havoc will be forced upon the nation, because this is obviously a sign of the coming apocolypse.”
Except of course, this exact scenario has happened multiple times before. Heck, all we have to do is look back at the elections of 1992. Democrat in the White House, 82 member Democratic advantage in the House, and a 14 member advantage in the Senate.
And what happened? Well, post-election Republicans moaned about how the Democrats would ruin the country in as an absurd and short-sighted way as you are now moaning. Somehow, with all of the power, little to nothing was accomplished and 1994 saw a reversal of power in Congress. Long story short, the earth didn’t die, civilization didn’t crumble, and life went on. The only difference between now and then? Idealogically you were probably doing the dance of joy since it was Democratically controlled, rather than acting like a pathetic pile of goo now that things are reversed.
So what happens now? More conservative legislation will pass. Eventually Democrats will be in power and either update that legislation to fit their needs or reverse it entirely. And guess what? The whole process will start again. It’s amazing how this cycle goes on.
Is it too much to ask that people even try to vaguely remember history and trends, regardless of where it might fall along one’s political leanings?

Except that the previous Bush administration had not had its judicial appointments blocked for 3 or 4 years, leaving dozens for Clinton to fill. And Clinton was nowhere near the extremist that GWB is. And Clinton did not have a defense secretary who made plans to incite terrorist attacks against US interests:

So when you or your family is the victim of a “stimulated reaction” terrorist strike, you’ll be just fine about it?
Clinton’s father didn’t stand to make millions off US military action.
Clinton’s brother didn’t operate an “educational software” company which stands to make millions off Bush’s (and Jeb’s) educational policies, which involve setting up testing which, remarkably enough, brother Neil’s company has just the supplies for (and which require methods advocated by McGraw-Hill, and it is just a coincidence that the McGraw family are bigtime Bush benefactors).
Clinton didn’t come to occupy the White House through the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of voters by his brother.
The Bush “family business,” as the BBC called it tonight, is remarkable in its corruption and its shamelessness. And it has just been handed our future.
JDM

Stoid posting an over-the-top melodramatic, partisan rant?

Color me surprised.

2 responses to the post by JDM

  1. It’s possible to easily list every crackpot theory, actual misdeed, and supposed surreptitious connection that the Clinton White House had and make him also seem like some evil puppetmaster bent on screwing the world over for financial gain. I won’t because this pit thread has nothing to do with that and refuting your post with equally paranoid ideas and thoughts isn’t overly constructive.

  2. To believe in everything you wrote, you must believe that the Bushes have basically been lying in wait for yesterday’s scenario to take place just so they could activate like some long dormant, politically minded sleeper cell all with the goal of increasing their power and wealth while damning the rest of us to a worse existence. I can just picture GWB at the State of the Union, draped in the flag, cackling like Sideshow Bob after his election, ready to spring all of these surprises on the poor, dimwitted populace now forced to suck at the Bush family teat. Yeah, that seems much more likely than not.

Oh, where do I begin pointing out the flaws in this one?

Ban political parties? Okay, you’ll just get slightly less formal factions filling the vacuum.

Term limits? Huh, could have sworn that’s undemocratic. Should we put them in simply because you think voters are too dumb to give the boot to an undeserving incumbent?

Force the media… WHOA, stop right there buddy! Government can’t force the media to do anything. As a proud member of the media, that you even espouse such an idea pisses me off to no end. And, sir/madam, if you’d do your research, you’d see that there’s a Commission on Presidential Debates, an independent but government-created and funded body, that decides who gets to be in presidential debates. They even have a set standard: 15 percent in prevailing polls. The media often does have a say in who is in Congressional debates, and in some cases maybe they should include third parties.

But guess what? The government can’t make them, nor should they be allowed to.