Talking heads report that BLM support is dropping due to unrest.
Video link to 2016 speech. The part in question starts around 4:40.
Awesome, thanks. My political reach is roughly equivalent to drops in the ocean but it’ll get used.
Need all the drops we can get.
Holy shit, that is gold, Lance - well done.
Just to expound on it a bit if I may, here’s the same speech on youtube - with a direct link to the 4:40 spot you mentioned. I’m going to use this as my link that I share on social media (Facebook, etc).
Well shit, I didn’t know it would embed the video, I thought it would just paste in the link text. If the mods need to edit it to just make it the youtube link text, please do so.
Working as designed.
This may work for URL with timestamp. Ignore leading backslash.
\https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=4m40s&v=4CVTuOyZDI0
Well, Dems can point out that many of the visceral images that Republicans claim depict an America that is under siege, are not of America at all:
This has been happening fairly regularly on Trump Campaign auxiliary FoxNews, too. In June, a period of no rioting didn’t stop Fox from playing old footage and claiming it showed the current state of the nation:
Best: Peaceful protesters don’t allow agitators to create new footage to use to help Trump, AND everyone holds the RNC and conservative-media liars—who have no problem trying to scare voters with fakery—accountable.
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Lets be clear…there have certainly been LEO’s who have gone over the line in response to riots. Slashing tires…etc…I’m anti-violence. Anti-looting, but pro-constitution and that 'trump’s all.
What i saw in Chicago made my blood boil. LEO’s hemmed in rioters/protesters. On public streets (!) inhibited their freedom of movement and wouldn’t allow them to pass until they emptied out their back packs. FUCK. THAT. SHIT. This isnt a baseball stadium. Its a public street and thats illegal search and seizure.
This is the beginning of a thread by Claire Berlinski from today’s Twitter:
Well worth a read. The writer pulls no punches:
eta: I hope that huge graphic will shrink down. The thread is also visible on Twitter, but the Thread Reader page is easier to read. The Twitter page is:
This fellow here reckons we all need to have an uncomfortable conversation.
About who’s to blame for this mess.
I warn you, it’s pretty powerful!
heh word on some streets are talking about bringing back things like the weathermen and the like and people wondering if the only way to change isa public assassination or two …
Coupla tweets from Nate Silver.
This is smart, but I'd add one more wrinkle: I think one of the flaws in the current conventional wisdom is in the assumption that the focus on crime/protests/unrest will either benefit Trump or have no effect, when it's plausible it benefits Biden instead. https://t.co/s7vj3uyHm0
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) August 31, 2020
So, thanks for the concern, but it doesn't seem like the unrest has harmed Biden in any measurable way.The nearest proxy for this issue environment is June, when COVID-19 numbers were getting better and there was a lot of focus on both the protests and the looting that was occurring in some cities. Trump *lost* ground in the polls during that period.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) August 31, 2020
There is no proof. But it seems to me that this chart fits the hypothesis.
As for earlier looting not having hurt Biden, I think that it then appeared to be minor given the scale of peaceful protests. There probably is a tipping point where Trump’s continual appeal to fear gets enough real-world validation to gain traction.
Is this a reason for Biden supporters to panic? No, because that won’t help. Then, it won’t hurt either.
That’s very sensible, so I predict it’ll be ignored.
From looking at third world countries, insecurity on the streets is the fastest way to get right wing, authoritarian candidates elected - or to get a big enough share of the population to support military intervention and make a coup viable. It’s a Maslow’s triangle thing: safety and security are right on the bottom layer, worrying about injustices happening to other people is somewhere near the top.
I did state it ‘looks bad’ but that isn’t the primary reason I brought it up. I brought it up because non-violent protests are better at effecting change.
Violence in the protests incites violence from the opposition and gives the opposition a chance to try to justify their actions. No one is crazy enough now to try to justify the violence brought on the 100% peaceful protests in the 50s. They refused to get violent even when they were agitated and attacked. That’s what shocked people and took away their excuses.
Agreed on all points. Also:
The moral high ground is a real thing, even if sociopaths like Trump and his most fervent supporters don’t recognize it.
The sight of thousands (and more) peaceful protesters marching through city streets is a powerful indictment of Trump and his administration. But nighttime protesting, so easily contaminated by outside agitators and false-flaggers, with shots of burning cars and crowds throwing projectiles, is a much muddier proposition.
The only point of nighttime protesting, it seems, is that protesters fear being displaced from the ground they occupied during the day. But though Occupy Wall Street may well have been about a specific piece of NYC real estate, the protests against police brutality are NOT about land.
Why should ‘holding territory’ be anything to do with Black Lives Matter? Why not, instead, concentrate on the moving images of tens of thousands of peaceful protesters walking through the sunshine?
Serious question. Have there been any proven instances of false flag protesting? My Google results only return articles where people claim it’s happening.
False flag protesting? Is that even a thing? I’m not even sure that that means.
But being an agitator who wishes to undermine the protest by creating violence? Yes.