I guess we're gonna die

Been nice knowing everyone here. I hope I made you laugh occasionally.

The other grandparents went to a protest rally at the State Capitol. Other grandmother sent pictures to Mr VOW.

Nobody was wearing a mask.

Other grandparents are coming by on Friday to pick up COTU#1 and COTU#2 to take them for the weekend.

Mr VOW and I are scared.

We tried to express our fears to The Daughter, who blew up and hollered at us.

Bottom line: she says she doesn’t believe in the virus.

And Mr VOW and I are the poster children for co-morbidities.
~VOW

Are the grandkids living with you?

Are you going to martyr yourselves to the other grandparents? I would refuse to allow the disease vectors back, therefore they don’t leave your home in the first place. And tell the OG’s (and your daughter) those are the choices - your house, your rules. The OG’s should have been aware of this in advance.

Unless it’s the case that youngsters don’t transmit Covid-19 - hopefully somebody more knowledgeable pops in here.

We live in AZ.

The grandkids live with their parents in SCal.

We came to SCal in December for holidays and doctor appointments.

January 17th, Mr VOW had a heart attack. Since our AZ home is literally out in the middle of nowhere, our kids have insisted we’re staying in SCal until the cardiologist says it is okay for Mr VOW to back home.

And this COVID shit has gummed up all plans.
~VOW

Is Mr VOW not medically able to return home with you yet?

I can hear that you are scared. It is not as bad as your fears though.

Odds are low that the other grandparents will be carrying the coronavirus. They are not as low as if they did not attend the rally or if attended but they wore masks. You absolutely cannot catch it from them if they don’t have it.

Even if they do have it coming to your door does not mean you catch it. You can reduce the odds of transfer even if they are infected and shedding. That includes things like wearing masks when they come over and cleaning afterwards. The timing may even have them starting to show symptoms before they come to your door. Checking their temperature before you allow them to enter the house is an option. If that is too awkward simply have the kids ready to go out the door on arrival and do not let them in. Give handwashing extra special attention for a few days.

I am wildly unclear about the family situation let alone what a COTU is. If the grandkids are coming back to you that is a vector that is harder to control. If possible try to avoid the grandkids for two weeks after the visit. Take more care inside the home if they are over before. You can still reduce the risks of catching it from them assuming they are exposed, infected, and become infectious. ETA got it now with your post while I was typing.

Control what you can control.

AIUI, COTU = Center of the Universe, i.e. the grandchildren. Mrs & Mr VOW are staying in their daughter’s house for the time being, wth the COTUs.

Yes. Sorry, I usually explain it.

The other grandparents went to a rally at the State Capitol, and forwarded picutes showing themselves in the thick of things, yelling, waving signs and fists.

They want to pick up the grandkids on Friday, and keep them for the weekend.

Any asymptomatic protestors in the crowd at the Capitol would have spread their “blessings” through the crowd. There was no social distancing. No masks. These people believe the virus is a hoax.

We have our own bedroom at The Daughter’s house. I do almost all the cooking. There is no way we could isolate ourselves in the house.

Mr VOW has his next echocardiogram in July, and then will see the cardiologist. At that time, we can discuss our return to AZ.

Our kids were scared shitless when their daddy had the heart attack. They both terrorized him with regimented care on their standards. Our daughter would probably say she doesn’t want us to return to AZ…ever.

I understand a bit about epidemiology and I have a great deal of respect for the experts in that field. COVID scares the bejeezus out of me.
~VOW

Your daughter was sufficiently frightened at the time of the heart attack, but is no longer? Can you get his doctor to impress upon her that CV-19 isn’t imaginary and that it could kill Mr VOW?

Get an AirBnB nearby. Make up a lie somehow that you’re going home and you’re fine, love you all, bye bye, then take hubby to his doctor appointments and stay low through July.

I tend to agree with DinoR that odds seem low of Mr VOW getting it from the COTUs. But I’m a chicken myself and have stayed isolated, so I get what you’re saying. Can you ask DSeid his opinion, as he seems pretty current on kids and transmissability?

This would be my first choice. AirBnbs are cheap right now.

It looks like the grandkids won’t be staying with the other grandparents until the 14 days have passed.

The other grandmother wants a piece of me over that.

If there were any conflict, we’d go to AZ for the two weeks. I’d rather sleep in my own bed.
~VOW

Oh, Thank god. Your daughter must understand the underlying conditions and vulnerability, first hand, of her Dads and yours.

You do realize your granddaughter with diabetes is also vulnerable?
Make sure her parents know this.

My diabetic clinic will not give me any indication as to when I can be safe in the general public. The PA keeps saying it’s way too soon.

What issue was so important that a protest absolutely had to be held - even though it risks spreading the virus?

VOW:

Only reading between the lines a little bit, it sounds like they were protesting against CA’s Covid-19-related restrictions.

Good.

This virus scares the bejesus out of me, too. Hell, it should scare the bejesus out of anyone with half a brain. Unfortunately, there are too many people out there who apparently checked their brains at the door when they entered FoxWorld or whatever.

I guess, given family relationships, you can’t just tell the other grandparents to go fuck themselves. Sometimes life is like that.

You have my permission to think it loudly, though.

I can relate to that.

Seeing your daughter buy into this nonsense must be hard to deal with. You have my sympathy.

Yeah, that’s it.

I love The Son-in-law’s family–to a point. They are good people. But…this is one of the exceptions. She sent me a link to a website called “reason,” and I think it’s an articleblasting the CDC statistics. That’s her “proof.”

I told Mr VOW that if I want to study COVID statistics, I’ll go straight to CDC. I don’t need someone interpreting for me.

These people who believe in vast conspiracies stick in my craw. Conspiracies, like lies, are a LOT of work. Each link in the chain needs to participate fully, or the whole thing falls apart. People aren’t designed to play along like that. Somebody always wants to blab.

I’ve seen the news showing bodies stacked up in refrigerated trucks in NYC, and the aerial shots in Brazil with the rows and rows and rows of new graves. There is no way to refute that people are DYING.

The Daughter said part of the reason for insisting on the delay of the COTUs visiting the other grandparents is COTU#1’s Type 1 Diabetes. It looks like the big blowup last night was from The Daughter feeling trapped.

For now, I best just keep my mouth shut.
~VOW

I wonder how your daughter thinks those 100,000 people died.

If I were you I would cut off all contact with my family except by phone. As was said upthread, get a cheap AirB&B and don’t come out of there. But I’m not you.

[sarcasm]Gotta keep those crisis actors employed.[/sarcasm]

THIS is the question I want all of the protesters to answer. Even if the figures are a lie (which of course, they aren’t! :mad:), even if ONLY 50,000 died. WHY did they die? WHAT did they die from? When dozens of people in one nursing home die… or dozens of people who worked together at a meat-packing plant…is it a coincidence that many of the dead people came into close physical proximity to each other?

How do the “truthy” sites explain that?? :confused: