Oh, and just FTR, I’m not a vegetarian myself.
My problem is that I felt she was pushing her beliefs on us and trying to be “oh, so sophisticated.”
I know there are vegetables out there, you don’t need to tell me. I know there are great ways to eat without meat.
If i was always telling you that shit burgers are great and you should try them, then you say, I’m sure you do like them but they’re not for me. How would you feel if i invited you for dinner and sprung shit burgers on you.
I knew she was this way, but not everyone there did.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
Now, i already conceded that I may have judged hastely, but I think she made a poor decision also.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
If shitburgers were, in fact, some sort of accepted culinary treat in any part of the world, instead of something that would make most if not all people seriously ill and possibly dead, your analogy would have merit. Since this is not the case, I’m afraid your analogy is full of eggplant.
If you’re going to draw parallels, why not try a reasonable one? How about if you were going to have a dinner party and you served ostrich burgers? This is something that would tend to make many people feel you were trying to be “oh, so sophisticated,” and is also something that you may honestly think your guests would love to try. If I was put in such a situation, I would politely say, “oh, I’m sorry you went to so much trouble for me, I forgot to mention that I don’t eat meat. But that potato salad looks awfully good!” I’m afraid that staring at my plate in uncomfortable silence would be just as rude as it was in your case.
And you are to be commended for that.
Sorry, you’ll have to work harder for this one to fly.
Rich
Sorry, I omitted this:
Operating within your belief system is far different than pushing it on others. Did she put the dish in front of you and start up on a sermon about sentient beings? Did she tell you that you should eat the kinds of foods that she eats all the time or else you’ll be a murderer? Did she put some PETA literature under the edge of your plate? Did she ask you to sign a petition to prohibit the sale of milk from cows that have been injected with BGH while your mouth was full of asparagus soup? These would be examples of “pushing her beliefs on you.” Offering you a meal containing ingredients that she had no idea you would object to doesn’t qualify.
Rich
rich, i’m sorry i would love to sit go round and round, but i’ve already presented why i ‘felt’ that way. several times. if you’re trying to erase the way i felt, can’t happen. if you’re trying to convince me she was doing me a favor, forget it. I didn’t relize i should have said, 'wow, you’ve gone through a lot of preperation, and i appreciate the offer, but nothing you’ve served looks appetizing to me (since i already knew i didn’t like onions or asperagus) so I’ll just have water, thank you though." Because that is what i would’ve had to say. now i know that would be appropriate, so thank you.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
For God’s sake, I think I’ve bored myself out of this topic. Is anybody really anticipating a conclusion?
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
Well, I for one was kind of hoping you’d get a clue and admit that in the future you’d be courteous and open-minded enough to try to enjoy the damn meal. Guess not.
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I wasn’t trying to erase the way you felt, that’s in the past. I was trying to explain why it is unreasonable to assume the hostess was rude for not having asked you for your menu choice before you arrived, or for not serving you meat when she does not prepare meat in her home, or for not serving you tater tots instead of a dish which she probably liked and hoped that you would, too. I was doing this in the hopes that, at future events, your feelings might be different. It is certainly your right to continue to believe that your hostess was rude, despite a complete lack of evidence that this was the case, but I hope you choose otherwise.
This is certainly on the low end of the “polite” spectrum, you might feign some gastric distress instead.
Any time, gentle reader.
Rich
I’ve followed this thread and kept quiet, because I am an omnivore. But, shane, if you really think that Rich has even once tried to tell you that the hostess in question was trying to do you a favor, then you have missed pretty much everything that he has said.
He told you that your response to a vegetarian meal were out of line and attempted to point out to you a better, more polite, way of responding.
He explained to you that your analogy between eating excrement v eating a vegetarian meal was faulty and pointed out to you a better, more thought out analogy.
You don’t think that you were boorish, fine. But understand that almost everyone else here thinks that you were. Also, please refrain from inviting anyone here to your next dinner party.
Waste
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Well, I for one was kind of hoping you’d get a clue and admit that in the future you’d be courteous and open-minded enough to try to enjoy the damn meal. Guess not.
it’s very easy for you to pop into safe places in open debates and present your clever little input, but i’ve no respect for a part time debater. if you would read all the post, you will notice, and i quote myself (go ahead look, it’s only a couple posts back)
I’ll admit i should be more open to knew things,
So i actually guess, you guessed wrong.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
wasteful
But, shane, if you really think that Rich has even once tried to tell you that the hostess in question was trying to do you a favor, then you have missed pretty much everything that he has said.
I’m sorry, but i was referring to this…
and her intent was to dazzle you with her cooking skill by providing a delicious meal that you never would have considered making yourself
Please, please,please, check all the post before you just throw something out there.
and please don’t argue for someone else, they can make thier own points.
for the last time, I recognize all of your points. Some I don’t agree with, but for the most part I do see how this can be handled better.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
wasteful
But, shane, if you really think that Rich has even once tried to tell you that the hostess in question was trying to do you a favor, then you have missed pretty much everything that he has said.
I’m sorry, but i was referring to this…
and her intent was to dazzle you with her cooking skill by providing a delicious meal that you never would have considered making yourself
Please, please,please, check all the post before you just throw something out there.
and please don’t argue for someone else, they can make thier own points.
for the last time, I recognize all of your points. Some I don’t agree with, but for the most part I do see how this can be handled better.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
Then why on earth did you post this:
without qualifying it by saying that you would only accept responses from “full-time debaters?”
There’s an old saying about when to stop digging. . .
Rich
He explained to you that your analogy between eating excrement v eating a vegetarian meal was faulty and pointed out to you a better, more thought out analogy.
oh yeah, i think i covered this one on my own.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
You’re right rich, i guess nothing is rhetorical in this forum.
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize this point needed clarification.
My non-response should have been interpretted as, “of course I’m not trying to convince you that she was trying to do you a favor, I don’t know the woman and have no idea what possessed her to serve you eggplant.” To which, apparently, you would have shouted, “neener neener boo boo, you are too!” and provided this partial quote from me:
Of course, the entire paragraph reads like this:
and any person with half a brain would understand that the phrase “whatever her reasons” precludes the idea of me trying to convince you that one of those reasons was, in fact, in play.
Good grief, you’ve been here almost a month and you haven’t heard the “public message board” speech yet?
Rich
I gave up reading about halfway through this thread, because it was going round in circles - as was my head.
I just thought I’d add:
I hate food. It’s such a hassle. If I could, I wouldn’t eat at all (except for sweets, which I’m almost addicted to…) (and maybe chicken, which is the only food I realllllly like).
But, like Tracer, I don’t eat vegebibbles or fruit at all, except potatoes in chipped form, and arguably wheat in bread form. I’m quite healthy despite that.
However I have a friend who is a Vegan - i.e. no animal products of any kind pass her lips, no dairy, no nothin’. And she had to eat sooooo often and so much every day just to stay conscious, was pasty white and pallid, took vitamin supplements galore, and generally was exhausted very easily. I don’t know if she was a typical Vegan or perhaps just not physically suited to the lifestyle. Either way, I think it would’ve been better if she’d resorted to at least being a vegetarian.
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sorry rich, i wasn’t intending to misquote you, i just didn’t want to confuse the others (not all), they have the inability to read all the post. i don’t think I insinuated anything contrary. But, I took it as i should be happy she broadened my horizons. I thought we were gettin along well (although on opposite sides).
All this science, I don’t understand. It’s just my job 5 days a week-- Rocketman
[potentially amusing anecdote]This whole discussion reminds me of something that happened to me about six months ago. A co-worker invited my fiancee and I over for dinner. I don’t know if he wanted to make a good impression or what, but several times before we were to go over he’d stop me in the hall and say something like, “okay, we’re all set, no meat, we’re having pasta, we’ve got it covered! I’m cooking, I’m all set! Plenty of food for the vegetarians!” And so on.
So we showed up, and we had drinks, and looked at pictures, and bullshat with him and his wife for awhile. Then we get ready for dinner, and get to the table, and he brings out a 13x9 pyrex dish with linguine and green and red bell peppers. And water. I mean, the thing was filled to the brim with water, which I can only assume was the cooking water.
Without missing a beat, my fiancee and I each took the tongs that he provided and grabbed some pasta and peppers and held them there for awhile to drain before slopping them on our plates. It tasted okay, but man was it messy and goofy.
So we left, and as soon as I got to the car and verified that the sunroof was closed and we had gotten in and closed the doors, I turned to my fiancee and said, “have you ever served pasta in the cooking water?? What was he thinking??”
At the table, I briefly thought of saying something like, “oh, I’m sorry, I wish I’d known, we have an extra colander at home.”
But I didn’t.[/potentially amusing anecdote] And we’d go over again. I’d just ask him if his wife could cook, since he got the honor last time.
Rich