I like her -- a lot. She likes me. She's taken. Should I stop seeing her?

(Warning: Long! Brevity is not my forte, sorry.)

It all started innocently enough…

The barista hands me my regular cup of coffee and I walk towards my normal section. There’s a lady sitting on a couch and she smiles at me. I barely notice it out of the corner of my eye, but even in that fleeting moment I can see that she’s rather pretty. My eyes reflexively shy away and I pretend not to have seen her. Still, I nonchalantly walk over and take the table next to her. I tell myself it’s only because the table’s near an outlet, which I need to sustain my Dope addiction, but secretly I know it’s because I find her attractive.

I take a seat, doing a pushup-tumble-stumble dance near her to get the laptop plugged in first, and then proceed to check my email and such. It’s not a minute later when she goes “They’re popular, aren’t they?”

“What are?” I look over. Forget pretty; she’s gorgeous.

“Those little netbook things.”

“Sure,” I say. Darn. By now I’ve learned that people genuinely find the small laptop interesting, meaning it’s typically not a conversation starter but rather the conversation itself. Too bad. “They’re not terribly fast, but they’re great for school. Fits great in a backpack along with all the books. Saves my back, if nothing else.” I figure that’d be the end of our chat…

But it isn’t. One thing leads to another, and before long we’re talking about her family, her artwork, her history… we’re both having a good time and laugh a lot. She tells me how her brothers used to tie her up to a tree and tease her. I make a joke about those darned masochists. She chuckles. “Actually…” And before ya know it, the conversation gets more intense and soon we’re talking about odd sex acts. She reveals that she’s bi and it gets more explicit from there.

At one point, she… uh… even follows me to the bathroom. I had forgotten to lock the door, she opens it and goes “Oops” and closes the door again. Ok, fine, just an accident; I don’t think much of it. And by that I mean… I wish it, sure, but I’m not stupid enough to actually think it :slight_smile:

I’m… enthralled. Yeah, that’s the word.

And then I find out she’s with somebody. They’re about to marry.

Heh. Figures. Oh well.

Then I find out they’ve been mostly non-monogamous. Huh. Interesting…

…Only to be informed that they’ve been trying to be for the past few months in preparation for the marriage. Ok, fine. Fair enough. That’s that, right? Three hours after we began, the cafe is about to close, so we say goodbye and part ways. On the drive back, I agonize over our encounter. Did I miss something? Or was she just trying to be friendly? My gut feeling tells me… she had fun… but is that it? I suspect something vaguely odd about her situation, but not enough to put a concrete thought to it. Whatever. I figure I’ll never see her again and put her out of my mind.


Of course, the mind doesn’t always cooperate with the heart.

The next night, I somehow find myself back in the exact same cafe, even though it’s 20 minutes further than the one I usually go to. She’s not there this time, and I sigh half with disappointment, half with relief. I take a seat and start reading.

Another girl sits down next to me and smiles; I smile back, but not in that way. I’m still thinking about… let’s call her Jane, shall we? I start reading, but I can’t concentrate. I put down the book time and time again and try to fall asleep. The atmosphere, the music, the environment… it all reminds me… GAH. I shift around in the couch and eventually pass out.

I wake up and, damn it, she’s right there in front of me. Talking to girl #2. Turns out they’re friends. I acknowledge Jane, but don’t want to appear too interested so I go back to “reading”, all the while hoping that girl #2 will leave soon… and miraculously, she reads my mind: “I have to go. Gotta work tomorrow morning!” Whoa. This is too good to be true. I don’t even say anything and Jane begins to chat it up.

Long story short, we have another night full of shared stories of fun and misadventures; turns out we have a few things in common and – dare I say it – we just seem to click. I’ve never met anyone like her and with every passing minute, I find myself enjoying her company more and more. My suspicions from last night also solidify a bit… if only a bit… but enough to venture a guess: It seems like she’s not entirely satisfied with her marriage; she denies it verbally, but something in her tone suggests that my gut might’ve hit a nerve. Or maybe it’s just wishful thinking… my hit rate is only about 50%, if even that.

And then comes the second bathroom incident. I’m in there changing my contacts with the door open – yeah, I left it open deliberately – and this time she comes in half a minute later, ostensibly to change her kid’s diaper. She stands in the doorway and half-poutingly goes, “Heh, I always seem to follow you into the bathroom.” I play it off as another accident – which, to be fair, it might very well be – and she changes the diaper while I watch and we continue chatting.

Anyway, by the end of the night, I’m left with even more questions than before, but at least I’m sure of one thing: She’s at least enjoying our conversations. She shows me her myspace and also some paintings she’s done, supposedly a pretty rare thing to see. Who knows. I tell her she’s photogenic; she says she’s just a plain girl; I tell her no way. She says, “Well… thank you” in a way that suggests she understood.

Closing time.

Now I’m really agonizing. When it comes to relationships, I have a rule: Never endanger an existing one. The hurt caused to the third person is never worth it.


And by the fourth day, I realize I can’t stop thinking about her. Rule or no rule, I can hardly control myself by this point. I’m at the same cafe again, and this time, I don’t even sit near her, but she eventually walks over and pulls up a chair just to chat. She finds me interesting, and needless to say, by this point I’m very interested.

Bah. Agony. Guilt. Morality. All about to overridden. I can’t think straight.

When she leaves, I summon up my very last bit of willpower so I can go tell her, “I can’t see you anymore. I’m falling for you and I refuse to mess with your current relationship.” But just when I’m about to, she runs into another friend and kills the moment. She reads me – she’s pretty good at doing that – and asks what I wanted to say, but I say I’ll tell her next time.


Uncertainty, uncertainty, uncertainty, and a very certain degree of guilt. Damn it, why does this always happen?

So I turn to you, the collective hivemind of the Dope, for sagely advice yet again. What to do? How do I break it off while preserving the possibility for a future friendship – she is a very cool person, just generally speaking? Or am I just kidding myself, fully knowing that if we ever reconnect the same thing will happen again? Should I even tell her the real reason, or just stop showing up there at the same time? There are plenty of other cafes… and other women.

But…

They’re not her.

:smack:

What to do?!

Oops, I completely forgot to explain why I’m asking: I have zero experience dealing with these situations, and basically, I don’t trust my self-control enough to be able to maintain a platonic friendship with this person, at least not in this point in time. I’m one of those desperate, stalker-y types and while normally I would at least give these situations a chance (I did say I’m desperate), I absolutely do not want to risk getting involved in a situation where a third person might get hurt.

How can I break it up (if I even should) without hurting anyone, without lying, while – if possible – preserving the potential of a future friendship when and if things cool down?

Thank you, wise Dopers!

Stop going to that cafe.

You’re letting the smaller brain lead you my friend. There’s someone out there for you who doesn’t have an SO. You’re better off to spend your time working on that person than this one.

If you don’t trust yourself to keep it at a friendship level, then don’t pursue it. Tell her “Listen, I really like you, but you have an SO. I don’t want to screw up an existing relationship and I don’t trust myself to stay ‘just friends’ with you. Here’s my e-mail, if you’re ever single again give me a ring. But for now, sayonara.”

Then turn away with a flourish of your cape* and disappear into the evening sky.

*Cape not entirely necessary, but damn awesome.

I know how that is. Every time I see one of these threads, I think to myself, “Self, don’t be an idiot and post in that thread. What purpose would it serve? He’s just going to do what he wants to do regardless of what you post.” But here I am. Sigh.

You know what you should do. You knew it before you posted here. But will anonymous strangers on a message board convince you of that? I doubt it.

But just in case by some miracle you do decide to listen to people here, you should probably stay out of that coffee shop and not see her again.

To be fair, though, if all of us did what we should, there’d be no stories to tell on the Dope.

You kind of buried that part. Is the guy she’s marrying the kid’s father?

Forgive me for being blunt, but “she’s taken BUT…” threads pop up here every month or so. They all have the same outcome: the poster completely ignores well-meant advice and goes on to be hurt in one of two ways: #1 she is actually the nice person the guy think she is and does the right thing by her boyfriend by cutting our poster off cold before endangering her relationship as soon as she realizes that he’s interested or #2 she’s not a wonderful person after all, and thrives on the drama of being wanted by two guys, so she plays them against each other.

No one ever updates to say “Hey, she decided that she really prefered me and broke it off with that other guy before we started dating” (messing around behind boyfriend’s back, however, is not uncommon if she’s a girl #2) or even “I decided to be just friends with her, and it was a lot easier than I thought. I never find myself wishing things were different after all.”

If you don’t trust yourself, it’s not meant to be.

Pretty sure.

In fact, I’d be 100% sure if I weren’t still in partial denial…

Ok, yeah, you guys are right.

This is a silly thread. I guess I just wanted to have some sense smacked into me. **Heffalump **is absolutely right; I know what I have to do.

So I’ll do it, Pollux Oil-style. Cape NOT optional!

Thank y’all. Fingers crossed; here’s hoping that the better brain wins out :slight_smile:

This does make me wonder, though. Do women ever approach people like me actually believing a platonic friendship is possible?

“Let’s see… I’m a beautiful woman sitting in a cafe without my SO. I’ll smile at random strangers, engage them in conversation, tell them all about my life, and continue to do so the next few times we meet just so we can be friends!”

I mean, are they really that clueless? Or do they simply get off on being cruel? :confused:

does happen

just saying

Huh? Sorry, don’t follow.

Egad! You’re being way too reasonable here. It’s just not done.

It unbalances the space/time continuum or something. :stuck_out_tongue:

May the force be with you! :cool:

Yes.
And it’s not fun if the wires are crossed.
:smack:

Actually . . . yeah. They absolutely do this, but in my totally anecdotal experience it’s from cluelessness, not cruelty. My best friend is traffic-stoppingly hot, and the most outgoing person you will ever meet. I have seen her do exactly what you describe (strike up conversations with random friendly strangers in the public places she frequents). If she runs into them repeatedly, she continues the acquaintance and conversations, remembers their names, asks about stuff mentioned previously, etc. It never crosses her mind that these guys might have a different view of things, since she’s totally happy with her husband and is just being friendly.
I can see what the guys are thinking/wishing OTOH and it makes me want to break out the sock puppets and Explain It All To Her, but I know it wouldn’t help.

Pffft. Reasonable has nothing to do with it. It’s just what I believe in. And I hate myself for it already. I’ll do what I have to, but damn it, damn it, DAMN IT, she was so hot.

Grrrrrrr. Some days I hate being a man :mad:

Clueless, I guess? I chat to strangers in queues whenever there’s an opportunity, although Brits are much more reticent about casual social conversation than Americans, in my experience. I don’t think “being friendly to strangers” automatically means “flirting” automatically means “interested” automatically means “available” etc.

I will slightly hijack to note that attractive women who don’t engage in chit-chat often get pegged as snobby/arrogant/bitchy, as discussed a bit in this thread. “She won’t talk to me, what a bitch!” is propped against “She’s coming up and starting conversations, what a tease!” That’s a general observation about the messages society sends to women, and is not aimed at the OP. End hijack.

I see your point, and I guess my gripe is more about really attractive people going up to total losers (believe me, if you saw me you’d know) and not just starting a conversation but going into an extended one lasting several days and either cluelessly missing or purposely ignoring (or worse, playing with) obvious signs of attraction. This applies both ways, to both sexes. It’s a gray area for sure, not a black and white thing, and every situation’s different… but at some point, IMHO, people should realize “I think I might be leading this person on…”.

Hell, even I’ve been on the opposite side before – god only knows what those women ever saw in me – and when I reached that point, I flat-out asked them if they liked me and then told them (as nicely as I could) that I wasn’t interested and I felt that I was leading them on. Sure, they hated me for it and I was the total asshole to all their friends, but at least I saved them from later heartbreak if things got more serious. I did it only because that’s what I would’ve wanted if our places were switched. Like they are now.

I think I have Jane’s email. I’m trying to verify it, and if it works, this is the letter I’m going to send her in lieu of meeting her in person again. Will this do, or is it creepy…?

I left out the “If you’re ever single again, email me” part because that just seemed utterly inappropriate, like I was wishing for her to break up (which I honestly don’t).

Thoughts on your email: If it was me, I’d tone it down just a bit. You maybe don’t want to give the message that you’re absolutely smitten, especially given that you’ve only known her a few days (your last sentence, for example, has ‘loser’ written all over it - if I’m being blunt).

I feel for you, really. I’ve been in that situation and it’s not fun. **Elfkin **has a really good point - in your shoes I’d reread that and try and believe it applies to your case. After all, you are only getting one side of the story - she’s not looking to leave her SO - so actually what she’s been doing is socially inept at best; playing with people’s emotions at worst. That’s not really ideal dating material either way!