I really don't know what to do at this point... (Heartbreak, very long)

It’s funny that a thread titled “Your latest crush on a woman” showed up in MPSIMS today, as I’ve been gone from the boards for several months. Something happened to me this past weekend that I think bears having its own thread. I’d appreciate everyone’s thoughts and advice.

Late last month, I was working one of my final shifts as a math tutor at my community college. I had worked there for about 2 1/2 years, and was leaving to start a new job at a hospital in Baltimore.

This gorgeous woman walked in (I’ll call her “Stacy”) and asked for help studying for a math placement test. I sat down and started to work with her. She was bubbly, funny, exuded a ton of positive energy, and smelled great to boot. I don’t offer tutoring services for free outside of school, but I gave her my number and offered to do just that.

I didn’t expect her to call, but Friday rolls around and she texts me telling me she’ll be at school on Monday. I reply that I’ll be working from 9-12. I didn’t expect her to show up that Monday, either, but she did.

After working with her some more, I had to leave for the local public library to tutor another student. I accidentally locked my keys in the car, so I called the math lab to see if anyone could help me pop a lock. Apparently, she was still in there, because she sent me the text, “Do you need me to come rescue you?” I replied yes and she said she was going to take her test and then come help me.

I’ll shorten the story here just a bit to say that right as she was about to come up, I got my lock popped. I headed home and asked her about her test. When she answered, she was in tears. She didn’t get into the class she needed. I asked if she was still and campus, and she said yes, so I told her I could come see her. We tried talking to the department chair (she wasn’t in) and then we tried to figure out what we could on the computer. Nothing was helpful at that point so I offered to take her out for food and make her feel better.

We go to a pizza and have a great time. She mentions her boyfriend, which disappointed me, but I didn’t let it get to me too much. We finish lunch and she drops me off back at campus.

For the past few weeks, we talked and saw each other more than she saw her own boyfriend. She complained about him being emotionally unavailable and that all he ever does is play poker in Vegas and with his friends (he’s an executive). She said that he’s “safe”. Nevertheless, we talked all the time and flirted a lot.

Fast forward to last week. Stacy and I hang out at the mall and have a great time. At this point, we’ve shared a lot of deeply personal things and have gotten to be very fond of each other. At the end of the night, we hug. The mother of all hugs. A hug so great I needed a cigarette afterward. I go home and she texts me, telling me that she had to try her hardest to keep from kissing me.

Before I continue, let me just say that I was very interested in this woman, but kept myself at just the right distance because of her boyfriend. I had my intentions, but they weren’t much of a secret at this point.

The next night, she wants to hang out again. I suggest a movie at her place. Most of the movie is over, but I ask to pause so I can smoke a cigarette. She said yes, but she wants to kiss me first. So she does. I’ll get pretty private here, but we spent pretty much the entire weekend at her place in one giant two-day-long makeout session. We stopped just short of sex because she still was in a relationship, but we both agreed we wanted it and would wait. Nevertheless, we felt a passion and closeness for each other that I myself had felt only once before in my life.

So last Saturday night, we go back to my place so I can take care of my cats. She calls her boyfriend and has a pretty difficult conversation with him. He knows what’s up and now is calling and texting constantly in an effort to keep her (funny, he didn’t seem to care much when I wasn’t a factor). She had planned to stay the night at my place but instead asked if I could take her home so she could have some time alone to think. It’s about midnight Sunday at this point, and I’m exhausted, but agree. Halfway down, we swap so she can drive because I’m falling asleep. I ask to spend the night because I won’t make it home if I try to drive. In spite of her dilemma, we’re still very physical.

We wake up and watch her favorite Sunday morning show together. We cuddle, talk a bit more, and tells me she’s undecided, but today will probably be the day she visits her boyfriend to break it off. I leave and let her have her space for the day until she finally calls me at 11:30pm.

She’s decided to try to work things out with her boyfriend for a while, and that he’s forbidding her to see or talk to me immediately. Without getting into the nitty-gritty of the conversation, I’ll tell you that I asked her who she as more feelings for. Without hesitation she said me, but she’s starting school again and she just needs safety and security right now. I ask her to promise me two things: One, that she won’t let this situation affect her schoolwork, and two that she’ll try her best to see me, even if it’s in a public place with no physical contact. I’ve such strong feelings for Stacy that I simply can’t just let her walk out of my life like that. She told me that she was >this< close to deleting her boyfriend from her phone and showing up to my workplace at 5pm today to surprise me.

She’s going out with her boyfriend and family tonight, so she’s going to talk to me on Tuesday. Dopers, I’m devastated. This is the second woman in my life that I’ve completely and hopelessly fallen for. She’s laughed with me and cried in my arms. She’s shared secrets her own boyfriend doesn’t know. I’ve dated many women, but none have ever clicked like this one. I’m at work now and am having a very difficult time focusing on my job. I miss her.

There’s a lot more to the story, but no one here wants to read a novel. There’s a chance she’ll come back. She’s surprised me before. But right now I’m just torn apart.

Be cool. You’ve made yourself clear, and you only get more attractive the less pressure you put on her at this point.

A few more weeks, certainly another month or two, it may be time for you push her for a committment, but for now, step back. Just let her know you’re there, then be there. ButDON’TBERIGHTHEREINHERFACEJUSTNOW!!!

My guess is he does something to piss her off in the next week or two, and her mental image of you will never be less attractive than you happen to be in person. Couldn’t be, really.

Thanks for responding, PRR. I can step back and be cool, but the thing that bothers me is that she was with her boyfriend for a year and a half before she met me and still stuck with him in spite of his failings. She broke up with him in April for about 6 weeks, but they got back together.

She put up with him for a year and a half, and now expects him to change in the next few weeks. She knows that this is true, and she mentioned it to him, but he changed the subject. I couldn’t wrap my head around why she stayed with him, and even after she explained it to me, I still don’t get it.

Let me add too that she was not looking for someone new when I met her, but the chemistry we have was enough to force her to question her current relationship.

What is this “security” she’s holding on to with her boyfriend? Is he paying for her school or something? That sounds like a weird reason for an adult to stick around with someone they don’t particularly like.

I agree with prr tho…stay cool. You’re going to have to suffer in silence - or at least out of her earshot. And don’t play kiddie games like sending secret messages or meeting up for snuggles while dude is out of town. That will just make things worse for you if it doesn’t work out.

Exactly what **PRR ** said. Let her know you’re there for her, but create some space. It sounds like both of you are heavily into each other physically…some distance will allow for a clearer mind.
She’ll make her decision, but you want to be sure that she made it entirely on her own, without any extreme pressure from you. If she feels pushed into it, chances are she’ll find that hard to forgive later on.

About your response to PRR, sometimes it’s easier to stay with someone because it’s comfortable, because it’s what your used to and it’s ‘not all that bad’. Maybe she was giving him a chance, maybe he was telling her over and over he’d change? There are a lot of factors, but I’d guess that familiarity was a big one. It’s hard to make that jump when you don’t know what you’re jumping to.

It sounds like you’ve been doing things right so far, with a good balance between looking out for yourself and for her. But please, I know this isn’t IMHO, but this

looks to me like a recipe for disaster.

Do you really want to see her in a public place with no physical contact, as she keeps you posted on the ups and downs of her relationship with her boyfriend? Really? Because I’ve never met anyone in your situation who genuinely wants that.

What you want is for her to choose you and dump the boyfriend. The only alternatives are (a) for her to choose the boyfriend and dump you, or (b) for her to continue on in this purgatorial state (which is what a lot of people do when they have a safe guy at home and an exciting new guy who tolerates the situation). Both of those alternatives would make it suck hugely for you to hang around with her as her “friend.”

If she chooses (a), could you really be her friend? Why would you want to? Down that path lies another OP from you in many months time: “How do I get over this friend of mine who rejected me but who I’m still in love with?” The responses to this thread will all be “don’t hang around her any more!” Don’t be that guy who watches helplessly as the woman he loves is mistreated by a jerk, and waits for her to realize that she is too good to date assholes and should be with you instead. That strategy rarely works.

If she chooses (b) then the thread in six months would be more along the lines of “How do I get the woman I love to leave her BF for me after six months?” … and that would not end any better.

You have told her what kind of relationship you want from her and given her the opportunity to choose to take it or leave it. Don’t give her the chance to hurt you any more than that.

Good question, ZipperJJ. I’m wondering the same thing myself. She was laid off from her job a couple of months ago as a paralegal for a mortgage lawyer, and she’s been living off her savings since. He’s been providing some minimal financial help when she absolutely needs it (last week she strained her back moving furniture, and he paid $500 for the emergency room and said that was her birthday present :dubious: ), but in lieu of that, she feels that he doesn’t provide the emotional support that anyone needs in a relationship.

I don’t plan to go any further than a hug until she decides what she wants. I am only a man, though, so I’ll need her to help keep things on the up-and-up too. :

This post makes a lot of sense. You’re right, I don’t want to be that guy. I’ve seen others there before and it sucks. One thing I want to ask about, though:

How do you think I should phrase this to her? So far, words with her have come very easily for me, but it sounds to me like if someone forces a decision “It’s either him or me,” nine times out of ten she’s going to choose him.

That’s crap. Cowboy up and decide for yourself that you’re going to keep things on the up-and-up–having a penis does not give you a get-out-of-rational-thought-free card.

It sounds like you’ve established good communication with her, so can you just tell her? how about something like:

“You know I can’t imagine my life without you. But it’s just too hard for me to be in this situation, where you keep telling me you want to be with me, but you don’t do what’s necessary to make it happen. I am ready to be with you whenever you are ready to be with me but I just can’t go on like this. As much as it hurts me to say it I just can’t see you until the situation with your boyfriend is resolved.”

I once knew someone who should have said this to me. He didn’t. It ended poorly for all of us, and it would have ended better for all of us if he had.

Exactly - you are gushing over her and it’s prbably very flattering to her and, obviously, she likes it and enjoys being physicial with you…however, she enjoys being physical with her “safe” boyfriend as well.

Gush over ourself, be friends with who you are, and allow what is going to happen between you two to just happen. No more fawning over her if you really want her. If it’s meant to be she will make the right decision and be with you, if it’s not, you will meet someone down the road who will ‘light your fire’ as well.

Stay cool…dissappear for a few days with no contact…see what happens

Perfect. I can see myself saying that to her.

Don’t answer her call tomorrow?

No.

I wouldn’t, she’s a smart girl, no? If she is interested in you above and beyond her boyfriend she will do the mature thing a leave him for you. Her relationship honestly doesn’t sound that solid if she is spending the night with you, making out, doing everything but the holiest of holy, and yet is still technically with someone else. That does not sound like a solid lovey, lovey relationship.

However, her reluctance to out and out leave him has basis in something…you said she mentioned he is an executive and likes to go to Vegas. This tells me he has money, perhaps she likes that, and is willing to give up some of her emotional attachment to him for you, yet stay with him because he represents strong financial prowess.

In this case, find someone who will be your partner, not your f*ck buddy. Sorry to be blunt.

Fine, I can do that. When should I finally respond to her?

Yes, he has financial security. I do too, but I don’t make nearly what he makes. I made it clear to her that I can’t really help her out financially, but I can always be there emotionally. I agree that in this tumultuous period in her life, she probably needs to know that she can be helped if she’s in a bind. I suppose she needs to make the decision whether emotional or financial support is more important to her in the long run.

You’re 100% correct on all accounts, Phlsophr. I just hope that she doesn’t perceive my not answering her calls as loss of interest.

Please do be blunt. It’s exactly what I need right now.

Edit: He’s currently building a house for his parents, so she can’t possibly see him as an endless source of money. Just a thought.

Regardless of why she might choose him over you, she might choose him over you. That’s not about your worth as a human being, that’s about what her priorities are.

Thirding or fourthing the concensus, you need to just tell her upfront, “I can’t see you or talk to you until you make a decision. When you make a decision, let me know what it is, but until then, please don’t contact me.”

And then get on with your life until she gets back to you.

I guess I don’t quite agree that you shouldn’t answer her next call. After all, you need to deliver your little speech and make your stand (which I totally, completely agree that you should do). I would say that the next time she calls, tell her exactly what has been said here, and tell her that you can’t talk with her any more until she’s made a decision. If she calls again without a decision one way or the other, kindly tell her that you can’t see her until she makes up her mind. If you feed her with long, soulful conversations, it will just drag out the agony. So keep conversations short unless and until she drops the boyfriend.

continuation of my above post:

I was in a not entirely dissimilar situation a few years ago. I got involved with a married man, which was a bad idea but there you go, we all do dumb shit once in a while. We broke things off and I told him “the only conversation I can have with you is one that begins with you telling me you are leaving your wife.” He contacted me sporadically in a “friendly” manner about this, but each time I repeated, “the only conversation I can have with you…”

Finally he did leave his wife. I told him I thought he should spend a little time getting his head around that (they’d been together 20 years +) before jumping into another relationship – he disagreed, so the last I heard he was dating some coworker or something. In our last conversation, I finally let go of a lot of the anger I had towards him, and I haven’t talked to him since (9 months or so). I periodically wonder what’s going on with him, and think about checking in with him – in a “friendly” manner – but know that’s a bad idea.

ETA: What dangermom said.

He’s building a house for his parents. Ok, so he’s loaded, and yes, that could very well be evident for her, especially if it is evident to me, a complete stranger.

Yes, I would stay away for a little while. Like Twickster said, get on with your day to day. It sounds to me like she is not going to lose interest, not if you don’t call for one day, or two. Now if you don’t call her and she is calling you incessently, well, it’s truly time to put the cake on the table and be straight with her.
“*Look, I am really into you, I could see myself falling for you totally. However, I don’t want to allow myself to fall for you if you are with another man, obviously. So if you are going to stay with Brad [he sounds like a Brad…] then stay with him and I will get on with my life. If you’d like to foster a loving relationship with me, then leave him. It’s the only way we won’t be playing with my emotions and we will both be honest. *”

So instead of ignoring her call, tell her something along those lines.

edit: yes what they said,so tell her the truth now. And don’t be a jerk and not check back in and let us know what happens. :smiley:

I’d buy her a ring.

No guts, no glory.