I love meat!! Glorious steak! Wonderful ham!

The BBQ Pit
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“Testifying” would be just glorifying how much you enjoy meat, maybe exchanging recipes, mentioning favorite menus. That would be sharing your joy over the wonders of meat. That would be one thing. But that’s not what’s going on here, at least not with some of you, and certainly not with the OP.

The OP (and some of the rest of you) have trotted out the “vegetarians are food” “Vegetarians - yummm” crap (that’s getting old too, I’m seeing a lot of that lately) and mentioning how much better you are than veggies. This would be the equivalent of Christians trashing those evil Heathens and atheists, and making fun of them. That’s not “testifying”, that’s being defensive. And it’s obvious to the rest of us.

Satan, bravo. You are dead-on with your assessment of Mr. Serlin here.

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Lord knows (no pun intended) I didn’t intend on hijacking this thread onto a religious bent, but if your saying Christians don’t denegrate other religions and/or faith in their testifying, I gotta disagree. When I am up against a testifier it ususally goes something like this …

“Christianity is the one true religion”
“No, it isn’t”
“You’re going to Hell!”

Anyway, to steer us back to meat and to take up yosemitebabe on her suggestions, here are a few points of interest …

1- I enjoy meat a great deal, almost on a daily basis. It is wonderful and nutritious.
2- Recipe: Half a pound ground beef, half a pound ground lamb, one box of Triple Cheese Hamburger Helper. Add chili powder and Spike to taste. Served with a Ceaser salad. - Yum.
3- Favorite recipe: see above.

Yours in meat,
Jack.
amen

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And you call that just “testifying”? I call that being a jackass. Not to continue the hijack - but a Christian who does that is being a jackass. It’s not a positive thing - like “I’m so happy, I love this about my religion, I love that about my religion” - it’s insulting someone else who doesn’t share the same viewpoint. So if you are saying that the above meat “testifying” is not unlike the Christians telling someone they are going to Hell, then I agree. Some of the above “tesifying” on this thread was jackass in nature.

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Oh come off your high horse Yosemitebabe. A lot of this is toungue and cheek. You know that.

Perhaps your repressed craving for meat is making you hypersensitive and a little testy.

I suggest taking a high quality filet mignon, grind it yourself. Place it on a crisp flaky bun with bermuda onions, horseradish, a small dollop of ketchup and Worcestershire sauce.

Eat it with potato chips and a cold imported beer. You’ll feel better, trust me.

Failing that you can take your vegetables and stuff 'em! (I like green peppers stuffed with ground beef, hot italian suasage, onions, celery, and croutons. Season liberally, coat with tomato paste and bake at 400 for 40 minutes or so.

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While it’s possible that some jackassedness has been displayed in this thread, I don’t think I am guilty of it.

However let me clarify my opinion. It seems to me that testify to anything, religion, meat, wool sweaters, unleaded gas - anything - by definition will be offensive to someone. Personally, I don’t give a fiddler’s fart what anyone testifies to, and I doubly don’t care, what they think of me for not agreeing with them.

That having been said, I feel I must defend my posts, as they are now being attacked.

My testifying crack was just that - a crack - a little levity to lighten the mood. Unfortunately, I decided to throw religion into it. Granted, I should have known better. Nothing ruffles more feathers than that topic.

In my initial post I mentioned a bumper sticker (which at the time I spelled “bumber sitcker” but you know what I meant) which was probably offensive to vegetarians. I was not endorsing said bumper sticker, just mentioning it as something that this thread reminded me of.

Everything else was basically just my lame attempt to throw the words “Hamburger Helper” into about every third thing I post.

Did I miss anything?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Scylla *
**Oh come off your high horse Yosemitebabe. A lot of this is toungue and cheek. You know that.

[quote]

Sure, for most of you. Or at least some of you. I am mostly focusing my rant against the OP. And a few other lame veggie-baiting remarks. Stuff about how meat-eater’s brains are bigger, stuff about eating vegetarians. Oh please. Just give it a rest already.

When was the last time you saw a thread on this MB where vegetarians lambasted meat-eaters? Told them they were evil? Told them to eat more veggies? When? What is the ratio of veggie-baiting threads compared to meat-eater-baiting threads?

See, like that. Maybe the first time someone said that to me, it wasn’t so tedious. But it’s been years and years of this tired BS. No, I’m not “testy” because I lack meat, I’m “testy” because I’m tired of lame old worn-out lines from defensive meat-eaters.

See, more of what I get ALL THE TIME. And you all think it is so cute, and soooo original. Mention meat dishes in great detail to the vegetarian. I guess you expect me to swoon, and have the vapors. Yawn.

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Yosemitebabe:

Hmmm, I see your point.

On the other hand the PETA chick thread had a pretty rabid Vegan or two, if I recall. Not all, but a disproportionate number of Vegans seem to have a flakiness factor, if you know what I mean.

I can see how you could tired of the same old jokes. Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to become a vegan?

Do you like meat, but abstain?

Do you get the urge to eat meat?

Any vitamin or health issues from not eating meat?

Do you eat fish or chicken, or are you a strict vegan?

Would you like a meatball? (just kidding, sorry, never again.)

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I find it tedious too, yosemitebabe, and I’m an omnivore myself. (Maybe because I’ve spent a lot of time around people who follow religious dietary restrictions—kosher, vegetarian, or no-red-meat-on-Friday—and have thoroughly internalized the idea that it’s HORRIBLY RUDE to criticize people for what they do and don’t eat.) You’re right, this isn’t really about sharing the delights of meat-eating with other carnivores, this is about taking the mickey out of you. I recommend ignoring the whole thing entirely from now on (including the pseudo-friendly attempts to prolong it), and I intend to do the same.

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Thanks Kimstu. You got it all about right.

Scylla: When there is a thread baiting meat-eaters, let loose. But I think they are pretty rare around here.

To answer your questions, briefly:

>what made you decide to become a vegan?

I’m not a vegan, I’m a vegetarian. Vegans eat no animal products. I eat “non-lethal” (I just picked up that term from another thread) animal products - dairy and eggs.

>Do you like meat, but abstain?

I like fake meat. (Soy burgers, etc.) Don’t miss the “real thing” at all.

>Do you get the urge to eat meat?

See above.

>Any vitamin or health issues from not eating meat?

Not at all. I am in better shape now than then. Incidentally, my sister is a diabetic, and was always anemic (sp?). She went veggie, and is no longer anemic. Go figure.

>Do you eat fish or chicken, or are you a strict vegan?

We are discussing this at length on another thread. No true vegetarian eats fish or chicken. (Some fish and chicken eaters mistakenly call themselves vegetarian, however.) Fish and chicken are also animals. No animal flesh for vegetarians! Vegans do not eat any “non-lethal” animal products either (dairy, etc.) A vegan is also a vegetarian, but not all vegetarians are vegans.

There is your veggie primer for the day. That’ll do it for me.

Now, go back to exchanging meaty recipes! :wink:

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thanks for the fair answer, Yosemitebabe. One more question if I may, is the motive for vegetarianism, personal health, or not killing animals?

If it’s the latter, how do you avoid using products derived either from animals or there suffering?

Lastly, do you think that Vegans are weird?

(I’m not going to jump on you, I promise. Just curious, since you floored me earlier with an excellent response to Vegebaiting)

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OK, since you mention it…

Lamb or Pork Kebobs 9also known as Shashlik(sp?)

Cut meat into 2" x 2" squares
Pour red wine vinegar or squeese fresh lemon into pot
Sprinkle layer of salt and coarse ground black peppar
Place one layer of meat into pot, packed snug
Slice fresh white onions into rings (you may want them on skewers later) and cover the layer of meat with a layer of onions.
Repeat until all meat is packed
Some like to place a heavy object on top of the last layer of meat and spices.
Let this stand at room temperature overnight (bet 50 - 60 degrees F)
When ready to cook, skewer the meat three to four cubes per stick, and leave space in between. Put the onion rings on skewers if you like.
Cook over very hot coals (max) for 10 - 12 minutes. Bet if not cooked on Gas grill, takes the juice out of it. Also, tey to get meat with some fat, otherwise they will be too dry.

Goes great with Red wine, like Merlot, or shots of something stronger. Vegetables are a must as side dish - potato, cole slaw, fresh greens, and corn all go great.

The more wine you have, the better the meat goes down. MMmmmmmmm, now I’m hungry. And thirsty.

Armenian restaurants have the best Shashlik, also good at Persian and Afghan.

I have truly enjoyed some vegetarian dishes as well, people have been very creative with the recipes - just think how good those would have been with some meat in 'em!:slight_smile:

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Does eating my girlfriend make me a carnivore? Although I prefer it with NO SAUCES! (especially cheese (try monistat 7) or red sauce (only happens once a month))

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BlockHead’s post has turned me to the other side.

I am now a vegetarian.

I just don’t want to be associated with people like BlockHead.

Now all I have to do is call General Foods and convince them to start making Broccoli Helper.

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Smoked ham, great slabs of it, slow cooked with a basting of honey and pineapple juice, dotted with thick slices of fresh pineapple.

Great cubes of lean beef, simmered slowly in beef stock, with great chunks of potato, carrot, onion, and slices of mushroom tossed in along with fresh peas, a touch of freshly chopped parsley and a pinch of basil, seasoned to taste and served up piping hot! (Remember when it seemed that all restaurants and cafeterias served beef stew and it was good? Whatever happened to that?)

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I agree with Jack. The vegetarians have been a lot more intelligent and thoughtful than meat eaters. I’m going veggie.

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Lemme see if I get this straight. This topic starts in Great Debates as a veggie-bashing thread. The mods recognize that and kick it over to the Pit, and now everyone’s getting along. Okay. Whatever.

Anyway, as a vegetarian of 15 years, I’ll have a crack at Scylla’s questions, since they all seem genuine.

What made you decide to become a vegan? Like yosemitebabe, I am a vegetarian, but not a vegan. Happened when I was working in a seafood restaurant and had to cut up live lobsters everyday. Decided to give up lobster right then. (I know, it was big of me.) It took me about a month to admit that it was a bit inconsistent to continue chomping burgers. But I was in college and could rationalize almost anything at that point in my life.

Do you like meat, but abstain? Got some cravings at first, but they went away after a few months.

Do you get the urge to eat meat? I like the fake burgers, too, but it’s mostly for convenience. It’s nice to be able to get a good amount of protein from something that takes 15 minutes to cook.

Any vitamin or health issues from not eating meat? My cholesterol dropped to 127 after a year. Maybe not a big deal to you, but half the people in my mom’s family drop dead from heart disease before they’re 60, so it made me happy. Other than that, I just make sure I get enough protein.

Do you eat fish or chicken, or are you a strict vegan? yosemitebabe covered the definitions pretty well. I’m not a vegan; I’m a lacto-vegetarian. I eat cheese and things made with milk.

Is the motive for vegetarianism, personal health, or not killing animals? It’s different for different people. For me, it started as not wanting to kill animals, then the health benefits became important. Later, I got involved with a conservation group, and an environmental motivation became primary. Now, any one of those reasons is enough to keep me from going back. However, if biologists figure out a commercially viable way to grow fish meat in a petri dish, I would consider eating it, for health reasons.

If it’s the latter, how do you avoid using products derived either from animals or their suffering? To completely avoid it is impossible. I can just do my best.

Lastly, do you think that Vegans are weird? Some of ‘em. But mostly I respect people who can make the lifestyle changes necessary to follow a vegan diet.

As a final point, the next time some evangelical vegetarians get rude in their attempts to convert you, you can now tell them that you know at least one vegetarian who is embarrassed by their tactics and thinks they should mind their own business.

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To ChiefWahoo:

Victor Buono was an actor probably best known for playing “King Tut” in the 60’s Batman tv series.

http://nlenx.com/DaveC/vbuono.htm

He was pretty big, around 400 lbs., and he died way too young. Anyway, he was also a poet, and frequently appeared on the Johnny Carson Show reading poems on the trials and glories of being fat, of which my favorite was the “Fat Man’s Prayer”, of which your poem was eerily reminescent.
Good job.

And, by the way, being this is the pit, felch.

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Sorry. Try this one.

http://www.nlenx.com/DaveC/vbuono.htm

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Prism 02 is Mark Serlin?

And here I was with a long standing oath not to feed that old goddamn troll.

I gotta go take a shower. I feel so yucky.

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Just a thought (on the subject of ‘Why did you become a vegetarian’):

You know people who won’t eat rabbits because they’re ‘cute’, or liver/brain/snake because it’s ‘icky’, etc. I can’t make that kind of distinction - some animals aren’t cute (or are less ‘gross’) so they’re okay to eat? Can someone enlighten me?