I need advice badly.

And where else better to ask? Here’s the deal. I made two new friends early last year, at work, a man and a woman. We warmed up to each other right away, got very simpatico very quickly. I found I could talk about things with these two that I couldn’t with anyone else in my life, my wife included. I have a lot of friends, some of 20 years standing, but there’s so much shared experience there, so many preconceptions, unconscious judgments, it’s very hard for me to talk about some of my current issues with those friends. Not these two.

We have a lot in common, and we were all in a very heavy life-changes cycle, all three of our marriages on the rocks, career stuff, personal stuff, a veritable cornicopia of change. These two helped me a lot. I helped them a lot. We continued to enjoy a very intense friendship.

Then I got laid off. They continued to work together. We remained close, although I didn’t get to spend time with them the way I would have liked. We all continued to go through heavy change, they both moved out of their prospective homes. They, individually, sought out my advice on this situation. And I had good advice, having been in intense but really positive marriage counseling during this time.

Time passed. I got laid off again. My mental stability became more fragile than usual. (My shrink recently talked me into trying the happy pills after 3+ years of persisting, my consultation is in August.) I became withdrawn but continued to reach out, especially to these two very good friends.

Even through the miasma of my bad craziness, I could see that these two had really made themselves unavailable. We would talk on the phone and email each other, continue to solicit advice from each other, but no face time at all.

I would request time, from time to time, but was careful not to be burdensome with my requests, as I was very aware of the pain they were experiencing with their breakups (the man left a 6 month old behind, the woman had pushed for her husband to purchase a very expensive home with her and left a month later). I really needed some help with my head but didnt push for it.

Can you see where I’m going with this? The man just revealed to me that he and she have been lovers for the past six months. I am really struggling with this. Part of me is saying: hey, in reality you barely know these people, they dont owe you anything. And part is so, I don’t know, goddamned EMBARRASSED. I feel like I can’t look either one in the eye ever again. I think back over the last six months, think of the advise they’ve asked for and received, especially the man, think of the things I’ve said to both of them without the knowledge they were lovers, and I just want to crawl into a hole. Man do I feel humiliated and ashamed and naive. Man.

Part of me is saying I’m taking this way too seriously, and part of me is reevaluating my whole concept of friendship. Did I/do I give too much; do I expect too much? I am shaken to my core. I opened up to these folks in a way that’s very unusual for me, and the knowledge that they were hiding this for so long, weren’t giving me the honesty I was giving, is extremely hurtful. And, of course, part of me is saying, get over yourself, you are 37 years old, this is not high school, bro.

It doesn’t help that I am feeling very very crazy the past couple of weeks. I need to sort this out, I feel like I’m losing it, and, of course, the only people I would feel comfortable discussing this with, the only folks I feel could hear me and not judge me, are these two. That is more ironic than rain on your wedding day, ya know?

So I turn to you. I’ve seen mountains of good advice dispensed on this board, and I’m in dire need of some, fellow Dopers. How do I handle this? Am I right to feel the way I do? Where do I go from here? The idea of losing their friendship is devastating to me, but I can’t shake the feeling that I already have. Thanks for reading this massive tome. Any and all advice extremely gratefully accepted. Thanks.

Sean

Sorry to hear about all this. It’s a toughie, but I’ll offer what little advice I have.

I certainly don’t condone their actions with regards to each other and their marriages, but I can understand, I think, why they’d want to keep the lid on their affair even to you. It was obviously a sensitive time and subject, so by keeping it just between themselves, they lessen the risk.

Also, it sounds like they’ve found the support they need with each other. I’m not sure about the timing and subject matter of their request for advice from you, but it sounds like they’re distancing themselves from you a bit. My advice is (you guessed it) to take a step back, and if you really feel the need, to talk with them about it. Be straightforward, but don’t let them think that your sanity or mental well-being rests on their answer. That’s a lot of pressure they obviously don’t need right now. Lastly (and not quite related), if they start/continue to confide in you about each other, you’re gonna have to ask whether or not it’s something you can share with the other, e.g., “Wow, that’s pretty heavy, do mind if I talk to him/her about this?” These triangle things can get pretty messy, so be careful.

Good luck, and keep us informed!

Really good advice, Flyboy. Thanks. It’s still important to me that I don’t burden them with my hurt and shame. They have enough on their plates. I forgot to mention that now that they’ve chosen to share this with me, they want to TALK about it now, and share, and stuff. Me, I can’t hear it right now. Now I’m the one doing the distancing. I don’t want to say anything rash while I’m so upset, and struggling with the idea that I don’t have the right to be so upset.

You had nothing to do with their individual marriages collapsing or them becoming involved. I think that you are internalizing way too much here. Get past any guilt or shame you are feeling and try to realize that these two people have probably complicated their own lives to such a degree that they may not be able to offer the type of friendship you previously shared.

That said, it’s a cast iron b!tch that you have been deprived of the friendships which you obviously took pains to cultivate. Having good, sincere and authentic friends is one of the most important things in life. If all of us had them, shrinks would be out of business in a heartbeat.

Again, try not to punish yourself over this. You had very little to do with what happened and I think it is having deliterious effects on your own psyche. Let it go and focus on finding some new friends. Give these other two some time and maybe you will be able to re-establish the friendship that existed between you three. But I would also be seeking the company of others at this point.

Hey Zenster. Thanks a lot. Just writing it down made me feel much better. Looking at what I wrote, I’m thinking, this doesn’t seem like it should be so devastating. Well, of course, I left out the most important part.

This lady, she is very very special, the kind of person who shines so brightly everyone else’s light is dimmed just that little bit. I developed quite the adult crush on her. To me, she represents the passion and grace and fire that is missing from my life. I’m not crazy in love with her, I can’t let myself be, but suffice it to say, I could be if I let myself. Honestly, it’s the Platonic form of her that I crave, more than the actual person. And of course, I have been going on and on about this to the guy, her secret lover, whenever I get the chance!!!

To quote one of the great thinkers of our time: D’oh!

I’m so embarrassed I want to die.

I’m 37, not 14.

Life is tough.

PS Zenster, you are one of the posters I respect the most around here. Thanks again.

I am honored by your kind words. Thank you and warm wishes for you finding a resolution to all of this essvee.