He’s well-spoken (well-typed?) and he’s at least put some thought into these issues. Not enough, obviously, but it doesn’t look like he’s 100% blindly toeing the party line, so to speak. He just doesn’t have enough experience yet to see all the assumptions he’s been basing his positions on.
Just watch him turn all liberal and evil when his balls drop.
Was Sanctimonious Bastard already taken when you were looking for a username?
It’s not about whether you were right, which you weren’t. It’s about how your *MO *is to be an insufferable blowhard. It’s about how your the kind of dickhead who can’t ever admit they’re wrong. Unqualified. Just wrong.
lol
I admit when I am wrong all the time. I even conceded in relation to the topic at hand.
What’s funny is that you aren’t even offended by the right thing. You’re fixated on the irrelevant minutiae of pop music genres. Which was hardly the point.
You too win at Cafe Society Sanctimonious Blowhard.
Bottom line, you wouldn’t be this upset about it if I hadn’t made you feel stupid for some reason.
So let’s be clear.
I was wrong to say Country is a subgenre of rock. What I should have said is that Country and Rock have converged, so it’s no surprise that a fundie Christian church would be against both as they are more similar than they are different.
I suspect that you’re offended because somehow you think I intimated you listen to country or something, as it can’t be that the ACTUAL criticism I levelled offended you because you have summarily disregarded the ACTUAL CRITICISM. That you are making fun of a religious belief you don’t know the first fucking thing about.
The most amazing things to me about hard-core conservative Christians is that they base their entire lives on the teachings of a book yet:
1- They may or may not have read it all the way through.
2- They don’t seem to know anything about the history of the book or the times in which it was written.
3- Most appalling- they don’t seem to care to read it all the way through or to know anything about its history.
Most Dopers know this but it’s for the benefit of the Lemays (anyone find it odd a 13 year old would choose the name of Wallace’s long dead running mate [and Bonnie & Clyde collector]?) is the incredible complexity of the times in which the Bible was written. Not only is it an interesting story unto itself, it’s VITAL to understand some of the context of the times.
First century Jerusalem alone: you’re talking about a land that is not only occupied but has been occupied for longer than anybody who lives there can remember and by a variety of different powers. Even while under Roman rule there was major conflict and change as to who was in charge: Herod the Great for example came to power as the son of a murdered father who had pledged himself first to Pompey and then to Julius Caesar during their wars, then Herod the Great pledged himself first to Octavian and then to Marc Antony when they split, then sided with Marc Antony in the wars against Octavian (though by this time he hated Antony because Cleopatra kept whittling off bits of his kingdom) then went back to Octavian when Antony and Cleopatra were killed, and ALL of these moves had major ramifications for the Jews.
Herod’s family had only been Jews for two generations- they were converted at swordpoint during a border skirmish- so he solidified his claims to the throne by marrying Mariamne (or Miriam, or Maryam, depends on the transliteration you prefer), a Hasmonean princess, a descendant of the Maccabees and through them of David. This was the Jewish ruling house (though they hated each other and had long since devolved into constant civil war, which is what brought in Rome) and yet the names of Miriams father/brother/uncle/mother/grandfathers/female relatives included such names as Alexander, Aristobulus, Alexandra, Jason, Olympia, etc… So what, you may ask- well, big what- every one of these names is Greek. This would be akin to England’s royal family consisting of Queen Fatima and her sons Abdul and Muhammad- the nation is so occupied and so toadying that they’ve changed their names to honor pagan overlords, and these are the Hasmoneans- descendants of the Maccabees (and by some sources of the House of David, though I doubt few Jews weren’t descendants of David by then since he had two dozen sons and lived many centuries before).
Even Jesus’s Apostles reflect this multiculturalism. Bartholomew for example- the name was probably bar Ptolemaios- son of Ptolemy- again, a Hellenized family.
Paul of Tarsus- we don’t know that much about his early life, but he was a Roman citizen and proud of it. Now what would it take for a Jew to be a Roman citizen? Considering that many people whose families were free and had lived and died in Italy and yet they still weren’t citizens, quite a lot. Most likely Paul’s father or grandfather or some other ancestor or relative had been a collaborator with the Romans- had perhaps been rewarded by Octavian for siding with him against Antony or by Caesar for siding with him against Pompey or by Antony for siding with him against Brutus, etc., but in other words- a collaborator.
There are many Jews who hate this foreign influence. The fact that Herod allows temples to pagan gods to be built across his land, the fact that the coins they use have pictures of false gods and deified emperors, etc.- is hated. A growing movement wants to purify the land- send Rome packing, get rid of Herod and his unholy family, restore us to home rule, etc… Screw Rome’s laws, let’s live by our own.
Paul- is it any wonder why he might feel he had something to prove in these days? His family was high class by some standards but those were the standards of the assimilated classes; they were scum to the zealots. He’s walking a line in his writings.
And these effeminate men he talks about: are these people even aware that there were eunuchs at the time, some of whom were slaves and some of whom were men who had willingly castrated themselves for religious or other reasons. There were priests of Cybele who hung their testicles in trees as offerings to their goddess (the first Christmas tree ornaments?) and dressed as women from that point on to serve as priests/priestesses. Orgies and other sex rites were common place in many religions that like Cybele had temples in Caesarea and Alexandria and other cities that were well within the reach of the Jews of first century Jerusalem. (There were more Jews in Alexandria than there were in Jerusalem incidentally, and this too was causing major controversy at home- their Romanized/Egyptianized ways mingling with the purity of Judaism.)
Anyway, I know I’m preaching to the choir if not to the shadows but this is just a tiny downpayment on a description of the world Paul and the Apostles lived in. It was a powderkeg world- war was coming and all of the powerful Jews from king to priests to Sanhedrin were trying to stop or at least postpone it. It’s no wonder how apocalyptic the writings of the early Christians were- they had every reason to think they were living in the end times as they were concerned anyway. (Few conservative Christians even know about the wars that happened soon after- the revolts that led to the destruction of the Temple [which was a masterpiece of engineering that required a masterpiece of demolition engineering to destroy] or of bar-Kokbha who died a century after Christ and had a far larger cult proclaiming him the Messiah than Jesus ever did and whose defeat saw the near annihilation of Israel as a Jewish homeland. And they don’t seem to care- the Bible is inerrant and not of a time and place.
Are you saying Curtis LeMay is 13 years old? If he really is a thirteen year old he’s a fucking genius.
I presume he selected LeMay for the “bomb [the Vietnamese] back into the Stone Age” comment or something else to do with his military service rather than for his Vice-Presidential run.
He was a staunch supporter of integration of the military and only ran with Wallace because he thought Nixon was a Soviet-appeaser (which, of course, isn’t to say that he wasn’t a complete arse for doing it).
Sampiro Like having a German royal line sitting on the English throne perhaps?
That was a brilliant summation, thanks for that information.
Curtis, keep in mind that there are a LOT of things that people find to be sins. And yet, it isn’t about saying, “well, anything goes!” It’s more of a case of “live and let live.”
Yes, Curtis has repeatedly stated that he’s 13. So I’d say his statements are made more out of ignorance and naivity.
What about Abe Vigoda?
As for rock n’ roll, I think God would only be against Christian rock. Or the words of Hank Hill, Can’t you see you’re not making Christianity better, you’re just making rock and roll worse?.
Sounds rather healthful. God made gays ,who are we to questions god’s work?
Resolved: Homsexuality is the moral equivalent of masturbating.
Are we back to the slippery slope?
If you have sex with someone of the same gender it may lead to masturbation?
Uh, not correct.
His “experience”—or lack of it—isn’t evident in his posts.
Or yours, it would seem…
Do you think you were responding to me in your first obnoxious post? Because otherwise I can’t make sense of this.
And that leads to…gulp…dancing!!!
They’re not German, their name is Windsor.
Actually when the Germans did come in it caused major problems, not least because George I barely spoke English and wasn’t terribly anxious to learn. Per some accounts the British use of “What what?” for “I beg your pardon” or ending sentences with what (“Miserable day today, what?”) came from George and his courtiers using it when they weren’t quite sure of what else to say.
Or worse, dancing!
And the next thing you know your Fundamentalist youth will be fritterin’ away
I say your Fundie youth will be fritterin’!
Right here in Cecil City.
You’ll be in one helluva “mess”
And that rhymes with “S” and that stands for Sodom!
It didn’t work for Glenn Beck, it just made for an awkward 15 minutes of television. Though we did know why he was crying for once.