I pit DrDeth

[puzzlegal]

I’m looking for a video someone posted as hysterically funny, that was basically a woman asking to speak to the manager and then being put down by the manger. But here’s a quote from a random conservative white guy on the internet, objecting to someone who claimed "Karen"s are right wing or racist:

I thought a big part about being a “karen” is being outspoken, asking-to-see-the-manager type of behavior.,

It has nothing to do with being racist, right-wing, privileged or entitled.

It has everything to do with feeling privileged and entitled.

[MrDibble]

@scudsucker

Having in been born in a country that had entrenched rascism and currently living in a country that invented apartheid, I feel that “wypipo” is a little racist.

Were you born not White in either of those countries?

No?

Then I should privilege your interpretation over my own non-White experience of the word, in person and on Black twitter, why?

@puzzlegal

But that’s not how it’s being used by white men in the white community.

And this non-White man in a non-White community should care about it, because…? Other than it being yet another thing appropriated from Black culture.

@puzzlegal

There’s no way, in the context of that quote, to know who you are referring to by “Karens”.

Could have just asked for clarification on what I meant. For clarity, I meant bigoted women weaponizing their privilege (as TERFs are wont to do), not mere assholish ones.

[puzzlegal]

Fair. But just as you suggest that we should value your perspective on racial experience as a non-white, you might consider that i, as a woman who has a lot of privilege, except that I’m a woman and a Jew, may be more attuned to how men try to keep women in their place than you are.

[puzzlegal]

Oh, and the woman didn’t want to leash her dog, and who tried to get the birder killed was an actuary, too. (I’m an actuary.) So that was really big news to me. I was delighted to learn she was fired for her performance, by the way.

[Johnny_Bravo]

Arguments about whose privilege wins out in any given situation is pretty much a * chef kiss * outcome for people who derail conversations with disingenuous hurt over word usage.

Just sayin’.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@MrDibble

Other than it being yet another thing appropriated from Black culture.

Your post is the first time I’d seen the claim that “Karen” as a term for “white woman who uses authorities to abuse people with less power than her” is from Black culture. The WaPo article, while really interesting, didn’t really buttress that claim: instead, it just mentions that the author (a Black woman named Karen) was told as a child that “Karen” was a white-lady name. (If I missed something in that article, my apologies)

That said, Wikipedia has some other cites that talk about its origin in Black culture. Others suggest that while Black culture has a history of assigning nicknames to racist white women, the tradition of assigning common names as pejorative descriptions of behavior goes beyond Black Culture, and that “Karen” in particular may have started with a couple different White dudes.

It definitely seems worth watching out for dudes using the word as a misogynistic way to keep women from speaking up; but it’s also worth recognizing the toxic and usually racist behavior described by the term.

[MrDibble]

@puzzlegal

i, as a woman who has a lot of privilege, except that I’m a woman and a Jew, may be more attuned to how men try to keep women in their place than you are.

Fair enough, but - it’s not just generic White men’s usage you’re wanting to police, but my non-White usage too - even though it’s a man’s usage it’s not the same intent.

[MrDibble]

@Telemark

None of this discussion should detract from the message the DrDeth is a tool

That was why I posted about his cowardly, lying ass stanning for DemonTERF.

But even sentient pond slime can find defenders if it apes the right noises well enough, I guess.

[puzzlegal]

Well, TIL that in the Black community, “Karen” has the specific meaning of a woman who abuses her privilege to attack Black people. That’s certainly a thing, and a thing worth naming and calling out. It’s just not how i have generally seen the word used.

[Atamasama]

@puzzlegal

It’s just not how i have generally seen the word used.

In fact, I’d consider that usage archaic at this point.

Just as “silly” no longer means “happy/blessed”.

Language evolves.

[Banquet_Bear]

@puzzlegal

I’m looking for a video someone posted as hysterically funny, that was basically a woman asking to speak to the manager and then being put down by the manger.

…Viva La Dirt League is a comedy channel, the show was the series “Bored”, the manager in question (Rowan) spends nearly his whole time putting down the customers, and in one of the most recent videos ran an incentive programme where if the employees didn’t meet their quota they would get a punch in the face.

Oh, and once he (SPOILERS) literally murdered that employee (Adam) then bought him back to life again by loudly berating him during his funeral. (And yes, IMHO, that scene was hysterically funny)

Rowan is not a nice guy. And the scenarios posted in each of the comedy skits are not intended to be taken at face value.

In the video in question, Karen (as in the name of the character was literally Karen) initially refused to engage with the employee, called him useless, then lied about what the consumer guarantees act said. (Yes, I looked it up) Rowan was correct about the law and simply matched Karen tone-for-tone.

It was a less-than-five-minute comedy skit. It wasn’t a documentary. The characters were deliberately exagerated, and it was obvious that Karen wasn’t just “basically a woman asking to speak to the manager” but a person acting in bad faith who had no qualms about treating the store employees with complete disrespect. In a later episode, Karen returns with her friends (Karen and Karen) and engages in a Lord of the Rings style battle with Rowan and Adam complete with special effects, magic spells and the triumphant return of Alan wearing the legendary White Shirt, which grants him the power of the mythical Super Manager.

This isn’t a serious show.

The word Karen is used around here, almost exclusively, mirrors MrDibble’s interpretation, I’ve never seen it used to in terms of the context of “keeping women in their place.” Keep in mind, I’m brown. And I’ve found the word Karen is used almost exclusively to talk about white women who are determined to put people like me in our place.

When you objected in the original thread I didn’t respond because your experiences are entirely valid. But that doesn’t mean that our experiences aren’t valid, either.

Oh, and here’s that funeral scene. It’s funnier if you know what happened before and who these characters are. Otherwise, the humour might not hit.

Awkward speech at a funeral

[Atamasama]

@Banquet_Bear

…Viva La Dirt League is a comedy channel, the show was the series “Bored”, the manager in question (Rowan) spends nearly his whole time putting down the customers, and in one of the most recent videos ran an incentive programme where if the employees didn’t meet their quota they would get a punch in the face.

That was what came to my mind too. Those are the Epic NPC Man people. They’re hilarious and brilliant.

[Banquet_Bear]

@Atamasama

That was what came to my mind too. Those are the Epic NPC Man people. They’re hilarious and brilliant.

…its really hard to believe that the channel was started by a couple of people doing films on their cellphones here in NZ. And they’ve gone from that to raising themselves $2.5 million dollars through crowd funding to get a brand new studio.

If you haven’t seen it: the production values in Baelin’s Route are just soooo good. They are turning themselves into a production company that completely bypasses the way film and television productions are traditionally funded here in NZ. You almost can’t get anything made unless it is part-paid for by NZ on Air or a Screen Production Grant.

Baelin's Route - An Epic NPC Man Adventure

Sorry for the VLDL related hijack. Back to the original pitting.

[puzzlegal]

(Cfd)

[Babale]

DrDeth is a dumb fucking hypocrite.

He’ll derail every thread about gun control where someone is foolish enough to use the term “third world country” with condemnations of imagined racism, but he thinks that dogwhistles don’t exist. And don’t even get him started on the term “mouthbreather”.

@DrDeth

@Babale

Thank you for demonstrating how dog whistles work!

Those are urban legends.

[Monty]

No, no. You misunderstand him. He’s saying that dog whistles are used in the city and they are legendary.

[Lance_Turbo]

He should take it up with this guy.

@DrDeth

You know, I think, by an large, that “dog whistles” are mostly imaginary. But not in his case. NBF was a deadly cavalry raider, but a indifferent general. However, there are more monuments to him that any other CSA general, excepting Lee. And you know why? Because he founded the KKK. NBF being lionized is a 100% pure dogwhistle to the ears of the KKK and their allies.

[Dissonance]

Do I want to know his problem with the term mouthbreather? Is it more substantial than him having been called one his entire life?

[Tamerlane]

@Dissonance

Do I want to know his problem with the term mouthbreather?

It is directly related to folks also frowning on variations of retarded or retard these days. It is regarded as a backhanded slap at the developmentally disabled because mouth-breathing is often associated with genetic disorders like trisomy 21 (which among other things quite commonly affects the development of the palate, often resulting in some degree of mouth-breathing).

[Atamasama]

@Tamerlane

It is regarded as a backhanded slap at the developmentally disabled because mouth-breathing is often associated with genetic disorders like trisomy 21 (which among other things quite commonly affects the development of the palate, often resulting in some degree of mouth-breathing).

Though that is a very indirect etymology.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/buzzword/entries/mouthbreather.html

How ’80s Is the Slang in Stranger Things?

It was indeed a medical term used in the early 1900s, but by the time it became a popular insult (sometime between the 1960s-1980s) the term was no longer associated with an actual medical condition. Rather, like “slack-jawed” it was based on the cartoonish caricature of a person of low intelligence, rather than a particular deformity or disability. It’s the equivalent of “numbskull” which similarly isn’t a reference to any specific condition.

It’s an effort to find something to be offended by.