I pit.... DrFidelius!

[JohnClay]

@watchwolf49

Let me get this straight … you’ve tried jogging and sprinting and you were unsuccessful?

I tried it a few times and haven’t done it again lately.

Man that is really really sad, I’d say your first problem is a life of sittin’ on your dead ass.

Remember you just quoted me saying “I already am doing various types of exercise including walking”. Some people aren’t obsessed enough about their posting…

So yeah, cut your food intake in half at least, including vegetables … them are part of a healthy diet … you’re not looking for healthy, you’re looking for easy … anything so you don’t have to get up off your lazy ass and do anything.

I already said the only vegetables I’ve been eating lately include celery, asparagus, broccoli and lettuce. Are you saying they aren’t healthy? Also you said “cut your food intake in half at least” - I already am losing weight quite quickly - do you want me to cut my food intake by half or more?

Since it’s clear being healthy is not any concern to you,

I don’t think you have any idea what diet I’m on. I’m even avoiding artificial sweeteners at the moment. And virtually all sugar and processed foods. People obsessed with being healthy often do the same.
To quote you again:
“it’s clear being healthy is not any concern to you”

try regular fasting, say three days a week eat no food at all, just drink water … give it a couple five years … just until you get that single digit BMI and fit in that size 2 dress. You’ll feel sick and listless all the time, but that weight will come off and that’s all you care about.

The diet is called “The Belly Fat Cure”. It is about belly fat (and “false” belly fat). I don’t want to lose any weight from my face. It isn’t the “Be A Skeleton Diet”.

You want healthy, throw away your scale,

I’ve been weighing myself everyday. In fact I’ve got two scales side by side to make sure it is accurate. (sometimes they differ by 0.2 kg). Can you prove that weighing yourself isn’t healthy?

eat nothing but vegetables, beans and rice forever …

Are you saying that is a healthy balanced diet?

and run run run run until it burns, then get up and run some more … get a job buckin’ hay or framing houses.

If I say no is that proof that “you’re looking for easy”?

You’ll feel great and be full of energy all the time you won’t care how much you weigh when all the gals complain how you make size 14 looks so damn hot.

What a lazy shit …

I know people who are far lazier than me. They literally spend about 90% of their waking time snacking or watching TV or going on the internet.

[JohnClay]

@WhyNot

…Ok, great! Now we have something to work with! Yes, now I completely, firmly, 100% agree with DrFidelius, and you should too.

Vegetables should make up about 50%, by volume, of a healthy, sustainable diet. If you’re eating 50% vegetables and still not satisfied with your weight loss, you’re eating too many vegetables, along with too much of other stuff.

I said “They are all low calorie vegetables such as asparagus, lettuce, celery and broccoli”. I didn’t say that I’m not satisfied with my weight loss. So by agreeing with DrFidelius you’re saying that I should halve my vegetable intake for three weeks.

The reason we tell most people to eat more vegetables to lose weight

WHAT? You said you agreed with DrFidelius. He didn’t say anything about the fine details about the people he’s talking about. In fact he didn’t like “nit-picking”.

is we’re trying to replace their other foods with vegetables, and most people don’t eat 50% vegetables. So we’re trying to increase vegetables

If you agree with him then you must agree that in all cases people should halve their vegetable intake.

while decreasing other foods, for a net decrease in calories. If you’re eating 50% vegetables already, you can skip that step. You don’t need to increase your vegetables.

If you reduce everything you eat, including vegetables, by 50%, you will lose weight AND you’ll still be eating, proportionally, enough vegetables.

Ok what if I reduced everything by 99%… since “you’ll still be eating, proportionally, enough vegetables” is that fine?

Whether this is enough calories to sustain you long term is still not being addressed, but it’s a fantastic way to lose weight over 3 weeks.

Why then do you keep on talking about increasing or keeping vegetable intake the same if his “halve your vegetables” advice is “fantastic”?

[JohnClay]

@Turek

Please show your doctor all of your diet threads.

I think the thread needs to be a little more towards the content on this one before he’d be worried:

I'm Satan at the moment

I didn’t mention it in that thread but a nurse came and took me away before I could write much more.

[cochrane]

@JohnClay

It seems to be a recurring theme is that people think I am too obsessive about posting.

Your making the last five posts in a row doesn’t seem to make a convincing argument against that assumption.

[JohnClay]

@cochrane

Your making the last five posts in a row doesn’t seem to make a convincing argument against that assumption.

But remember I did stop posting for an entire working day. I wanted to reply to some of the people and since I couldn’t reply straight away I had to reply later, all at once. I guess I could have waited for a while after every couple of posts for a post by someone else so that you don’t complain about me posting 5 times in a row…
Anyway I’m not saying that I’m not obsessed at all… I just wanted to respond.
BTW some people complain that I’m not listening… I thought replying would help address that. (Though by “listening” perhaps they mean to agree with everything they say)

[kayaker]

How about some fun exercise that targets your belly? How do you look in pantaloons?

[Munch]

@JohnClay

But remember I did stop posting for an entire working day.

So fucking what? You don’t get a pat on the back for managing to refrain from posting for a whole 8 hours - ESPECIALLY when you then immediately go back to doing exactly what people complain about. I imagine that’s exactly what your dieting looks like - “well, I didn’t have dessert on Thursday last week, so I must be doing a great job!”. No - to not be posting obsessively, you must stop posting obsessively. Full stop. Not for 8 hours at a time, for all time. Doesn’t mean stop posting - it means stop posting obsessively.

[Seanette]

John Clay, do you ever have anything to say about anything other than “belly fat”???

Sheesh, you come across as the type of fat-phobic who would think that Isabelle Caro was obese or that Christian Bale’s character in “The Machinist” needed to drop the weight STAT.

[andros]

There is nothing entertaining about this. It’s all schaden, no freude.

[kayaker]

@andros

There is nothing entertaining about this. It’s all schaden, no freude.

Well, there’s belly fat.

[Frank]

@Seanette

John Clay, do you ever have anything to say about anything other than “belly fat”???

Yes, but he’s not allowed to talk about them anymore. Well, I don’t think he’s been topic banned about using his wife’s money to buy collectibles which he would then sell for oodles, even scads, of money, but that doesn’t come up much.

[Sunny_Daze]

@panache45

And it was promoted by a pair o’ docs.

[Subterraneanus]

@JohnClay

…I remember seeing a psychologist for my first diagnosis (clinical depression) and he said he wanted to put a bomb under me.

I think you misunderstood his intentions.

[Drunky_Smurf]

@Seanette

John Clay, do you ever have anything to say about anything other than “belly fat”???

He’s talked about computer stuff in the past.

[watchwolf49]

The Good Doctor gave you good advice, and you thought to drag him over the Hot Coals of Everlasting Pittery … looks like you caught fire first. Thank you for your deeply involved sentence-by-sentence answer, however I’m just going to respond to the points I’m trying to make here.

@JohnClay

[snip] … Remember you just quoted me saying “I already am doing various types of exercise including walking”. Some people aren’t obsessed enough about their posting … [snap]

Walking is a normal activity for the human species, day-to-day everyday. If you consider it an “exersice”, then I have to wonder what you do do as normal activity, if not sitting on your butt.

@JohnClay

[snip] … I already said the only vegetables I’ve been eating lately include celery, asparagus, broccoli and lettuce. Are you saying they aren’t healthy? Also you said “cut your food intake in half at least” - I already am losing weight quite quickly - do you want me to cut my food intake by half or more? … [snap]

Strawman … I said consume less, even if it’s healthy because, duh, it’s still healthy.

@JohnClay

[snip] … I’ve been weighing myself everyday. In fact I’ve got two scales side by side to make sure it is accurate. (sometimes they differ by 0.2 kg). Can you prove that weighing yourself isn’t healthy? … [snap]

Weighing yourself everyday on two scales is unhealthy for you … if it should drive you to post this information anywhere on the internet. Absolutely no one in the entire world cares that you bought two expensive scales so we could know within 200 grams how much you weigh. At least I have two people teasing me about how much my hammer weighs (24 oz.).

Beans, rice and fresh vegetables … that’s all the nutrition most anyone needs, although some may need extra carbs … Cut the volume in half for the three weeks the Good Doctor recommended, then come back and report … he’s a professional, you should respect his training and experience.

Jog … now … once around the block everyday … work yourself up to two blocks and so on … THAT is your new measure, sell the triple-beams on eBay.

[John_Mace]

@Seanette

John Clay, do you ever have anything to say about anything other than “belly fat”???

Isn’t JC the guy who starts those inane religious threads in GD? Funny initials for that, too!

[Zeke_N.Destroi]

@Teuton

… I had a bit of an epiphany a few months ago when I saw JohnClay and John Mace…there’s a reasonable guy and an obsessive moron.

You are creating a false dichotomy

[Loach]

I see this is going as well as expected.

[Telemark]

@Loach

I see this is going as well as expected.

Actually, I think it’s going pretty much exactly as the OP expected. It clearly was never an actual pitting, it’s just an excuse to skirt the rules and post another diet thread. The fact that no one is engaging the OP in a meaningful discussion of diet is irrelevant, since he’s not interested in that.

[Penfeather]

@JohnClay

It seems to be a recurring theme is that people think I am too obsessive about posting. I’ll address that…

Well today I didn’t reply at all during my entire working day. I managed to do it without help from a doctor but it was hard at first. I had trouble learning stuff about OAuth. But as the day wore on I got back to normal.

As far as my diet goes I haven’t even fully read the ebook (the FAQ section in particular). Every now and then I watch some of the associated videos. I haven’t bothered to research scientific papers about diets. Though I did do that in the past. When I studied a psychology subject at university I wrote an essay on weight gain and sugar sweetened beverages. I found that there were papers on both sides - some said that consuming “SSBs” didn’t result in weight gain. Perhaps they got some indirect funding from sugar companies (I heard something like that in a documentary).

BTW I know a guy who has OCD. He goes through huge amounts of toilet paper even when it causes his bottom to go raw. He insists that I check that the windows on his car aren’t wound down by touching the glass multiple times on each window, etc, etc. A large number of people in my extended family have mental illnesses.

There was a time when I wasn’t really obsessive enough. I remember seeing a psychologist for my first diagnosis (clinical depression) and he said he wanted to put a bomb under me.

I think you’re mistaking this board for your therapy group, and the other members as your support workers.