Holy goat felcher, that boy is a fonzanoon.
I think all future rebuttals to him will take place here from now on.
On the bright side he’s fucking up his own thread instead of someone else’s.
Folks here may be interested to know that Magiver is not only an authority on all things related to medicine, immunology, and vaccines, he is also an authority on all things aviation. In fact, I believer he’s an authority on all things, period.
The last time I seriously engaged with him was over the issue of the Boeing 737 MAX. I think we all know the story – the longest grounding in aviation history, worldwide – out of service for at least 21 months (longer in some jurisdictions) at a cost of untold billions; design flaws condemned by the pertinent accident investigation boards; criticized by pilots, the FAA, and ultimately acknowledged by Boeing itself, where heads rolled in the management ranks.
Fortunately we were given sagacious insight into the matter by no less an authority than Magiver himself. You can ignore all those so-called “experts” and accident investigation boards. There was nothing wrong with the 737 MAX. At all. The two accidents that killed 346 people and resulted in the worldwide revocation of its certificates of airworthiness were just pilot error, nothing more. It was just damned furrin’ pilots that didn’t know what they were doing.
Let me guess, it’s not just that he managed to miss a piece of information, he didn’t understand information given to him and soldiered on anyway.
This is where he gave up the game.
He doesn’t believe his own ridiculous arguments. It’s a game to him.
With this in mind, things like his defense of sharpiegate make at least a little bit of sense.
Ooooh yeah. Troll it is.
No, He’s determined to “win” an argument even if he doesn’t believe any of the shit he’s spouting because owning the libs is all he has to live for.
Yeah, that’s trolling.
It’s important to understand this kind of person. They don’t know much, and they don’t actually believe much. They just like to win arguments, they like to assert the primacy of their own social control structures. When they can’t win on the facts, then they win by claiming they’re joking and laughing that they got you to react. Eventually you’ll stop engaging them on facts, and then they win.
They understand that they lose power in any world driven by a fact-based ontology, so they want to replace it with a gossip-based ontology that will allow them to compete. It is a mistake to intepret these peoples’ relationship to factual discourse as anything but the attempted destruction of any shared framework of knowledge.
That seems like a lot of words that end up meaning “trolling”, so I’m with @Lance_Turbo on this one.
I think it matters whether the person actually sets out to rile someone up, or they’re just dumb, lazy thinkers who retreat to “this is just entertainment anyway” when they’re cornered.
Also important to note that these people have no real beliefs except that people like them should make decisions for the rest of us.
I don’t. The effect on the board is the same either way.
It doesn’t seem to matter to the mods, nor should it since they can only judge you by what you post, not what you were thinking as you posted it.
Oh I don’t disagree. It’s an academic point, but it’s interesting to me.
He’s at it again in the quarantine. I have him on ignore, but I just had to look at what @Jackmannii was replying to. Not only does @Magiver not bother to read any of the papers or at least referencing articles showing evidence that points to a wet market origin. He conflates ‘theory’ with ‘opinion’ when talking about science. I thought they taught hypothesis and theory in K-12. He was probably too busy picking his nose and eating his boogers to pay attention.
I think he just really enjoys conspiracy theories created by youtubers more than theories created by scientists and wants us all to give the former the same amount of respect as the latter
No, he’s just a right-winger who wants this to be about a Chinese conspiracy, like most other right-wingers.
“The data we’ve presented, together with what other investigators have reported, adds to the likelihood of spillover from a wild source.”
“Nuh-uh. That’s, like, your opinion, man.”
But the rightwingers preferred conspiracy is the lab leak as opposed to real evidence of them covering up their illegal wild animal trade. One would be an honest mistake by a lab doing what it’s supposed to do. The other is doing something illegal. I think @Jackmannii 's reasoning in that thread makes sense. They don’t like scientists recommendations on pandemic measures so they have to make them the bad guys.
My sense is that the “lab leak [conspiracy] theory” really ought to have scare quotes around leak, making it the “lab ‘leak’ [conspiracy] theory.” That is, in the right-wing imagination, not only was it leaked from a lab: the leak, and perhaps even the development of the virus, was intentional, for “reasons.”