“Including or not including Der Trihs posts” would be shitty last words, that’s for sure.
No, you are not understanding me. In fact, it feels as if you are doing everything in your power to deliberately not understand my point because your ego won’t allow you.
What I’ve said is that I believe, based on evidence, that he WANTS to use nuclear weapons. I don’t know whether he will or won’t. He says he won’t. That’s not good enough for me, and I’m not fucking hysterical for thinking he might, just because he hasn’t yet.
And by the way, please do not attribute something to me that I did not say. According to you, I said somewhere that “Trump is not planning on using nuclear weapons.” Can you quote me saying that? What I said was, Trump SAYS he is not planning on using nuclear weapons. I never said that I agreed he wouldn’t.
You said;
Again the subtle distinctions you’re making are not clear to me.
I agree that people can give offense without intending to. I have said that it was not my intent to offend anybody by my use of the word hysteria.
But what I feel is being asked of me is an admission that I was being knowingly offensive. That is not the case.
I would be willing to offer an apology for causing unintended offense but I’ve already been told that such an apology is unacceptable. I’ve been told saying “I’m sorry if you were offended” is a non-apology.
Let me try. I don’t think it’s subtle at all. Trump has expressed interest in and enthusiasm for using nuclear weapons. He has also said that he won’t use them. Does he have concrete plans to drop nukes? Probably not, and certainly not that we know of. Is it irrational to fear that he might do it anyway? No, absolutely not. There’s a reason that people say things like, “surely no one has actually given him the codes to launch nuclear bombs”. It’s because they are reassuring themselves that it probably won’t happen. No one said stuff like that about other presidents in my memory.
“I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that was offensive and didn’t mean it that way. I won’t do it again in the future.” is an apology. (At least, if the person actually stops doing it.)
‘It’s not offensive because I say so, but I’m sorry that you’re pissed off for no good reason’ is not an apology. And no, that’s not a direct quote; but it’s certainly the sense of what you’ve been saying.
I’m just reposting this, as I think it’s very relevant, and Little-Nemo does not seem to want to respond to it. Maybe they missed it. So here it is again.
I’ll bold an important bit so it’s easier to read:
"it’s not about whether you think they are realistic. It’s about insulting and demeaning your potential political allies. "
Thank you. This is exactly my point. But despite your eloquence, I’m not hopeful that this will get through to him. It’s like talking to a brick wall.
Thank you for saying succintly what I more or less was getting at and saving me the need for a reply.
Why the difference between wanting to do thing and planning to do thing needs an explanation baffles me.
I have responded to. But people don’t seem to like my response.
Hmmmmm… Nope. I just scrolled back a mere 12 posts, and you have not replied to puzzlegal’s comment at all.
Don’t you know that saying that you have responded is exactly the same thing as actually responding?
I know that, and have already responded to you about this.
People might use the term “hysterical” for various reasons, including:
- Immaturity or Lack of Emotional Intelligence: Some individuals use dismissive language because they lack the skills to navigate emotional conversations.
- Power and Control: Labeling someone as hysterical can be a way to diminish their credibility or silence their voice.
- Cultural or Societal Norms: In some cultures, emotional expression is frowned upon, leading to the use of terms like hysterical to shame or suppress feelings.
- Misunderstanding or Miscommunication: Sometimes, people misinterpret intense emotional reactions and respond with dismissive labels out of confusion or frustration.
I started this thread thinking the last thing was happening. Now I think it’s mostly the first, with some of the rest all mixed in.
And this should, perhaps, give us some pause before we call someone “hysterical.” The word’s origin ties it to the idea that any show of emotion or force from a woman is evidence of her fragility and inherent instability, and echoes of that are still present in its uses today.
The Dictionary.com folks are even more critical than I am:
But, what about the “funny” sense? Surely that’s a positive use we don’t have to shy away from?
Nope. Even the “funny” sense of hysterical usually connotes a loss of control, as in the original hysteria: a hysterical joke or comedian makes you laugh uncontrollably, sometimes sob, just absolutely lose it. It’s the sunny inverse of an emotional breakdown, but the breakdown is still implied. (It’s worth noting that when hysterical is used to refer to funny people—the word’s only “positive” use—it’s most often used of men.)
The misogyny of the right is worse and more violent than the misogyny of the left/center, but it is getting worse in both camps, and that is problematic. Not just because it displeases us uppity bitches, but also because it is a security threat:
That isn’t something I expect of you, if it is me you are talking about. I was hoping you’d adjust your language so you weren’t pissing off people you didn’t need to piss off.