Use the boards software to post the quote of me saying it or you’re a liar. Not a list of quotes where my name does not occur because I NEVER SAID THAT.
And I could swear at you some more? Your lying ass picked the one place where that’s totally allowed. Deal with it you shit eating pinhead.
You want to be the gatekeeper of the Trump opposition but no one is listening to your sorry asshole’s trickles. Go vote Republican because you have some problem with some position of the opposition that you don’t hold. No one cares.
We weren’t talking about modern Nazis and modern Klan in the US. We were clearly and specifically talking about World War II. You know that time when the real Nazis were around? And they were in the process of killing twelve million people?
I was pointing out that we shouldn’t work with Nazis who are right here in the country we’re supposedly trying to protect; which is why the situations aren’t remotely comparable.
And if the Democrats were working with the Nazis, why in hell would anybody opposing Nazis vote for Democrats?
You’re the one who decided to compare Americans today to postwar Hungary. That was on topic, but me asking you to defend the ramifications of your comparison isn’t?
Nobody in this thread is saying we should work with Nazis.
That was an excellent essay. The writer described much of what I found so frustrating about the OP. I could identify the implied misogyny, and the gendered language was obvious, but I couldn’t put my finger on exactly what and why it was being used in this particular fashion for this particular issue.
Opinions should be based on facts using critical thinking skills. Banquet Bear just provided you with facts that should at least make you re-examine your views on how israel’s actions affect US politics.
Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that was you’ve said is true. Let’s say my use of the word hysterical indicates that I’m a misogynist. And let’s say that my disagreement with Banquet Bear indicates that I’m an isolationist.
But, as I’ve said, I’m planning on voting against Trump. Are you willing to accept my vote against Trump or do you feel I need to renounce my evil ways before I’m good enough to vote for Trump? In other words, are you willing to ally with a misogynist isolationist in the cause of opposing Trump?
Let’s go further, let’s say that despite all of the evidence in this thread, I’m really touchy about my personal feelings. And my feelings have been hurt by all of the abuse that’s been directed at me. So I announce that while I plan of voting against Trump, I won’t do so unless people here apologize to me for calling me names.
How would you respond? Would you tell people to apologize to me, regardless of how they actually feel, because a vote against Trump is important? Or would you tell people not to apologize because their right to swear at me is more important than the cause of defeating Trump? In other words, which do you feel is a higher priority; getting votes against Trump or expressing your feelings against people you disagree with?
Demanding an apology by threatening to withold something? Not playing that game. I’d happily apologize for hurting feelings, as I always regret it when my words or actions lead to that outcome, but not as part of a demand.
I don’t need my allies to be morally pure, but I also don’t need to ally with monsters. Winning is important, but if you need the Klan and their ilk to win the vote, you’ve already lost.
No. They were saying we should work with the Klan; and giving the USA-Stalin agreement as an example. I was pointing out why it’s not a relevant example. Going off from that into discussing what various people should or should not have done in WWII would also not be relevant.
If you think the Klan is essentially better than or for most purposes readily distinguishable from the Nazis, I think you’re wrong.
I would conclude at that point that you probably weren’t going to vote against Trump whatever we did here; because somebody else would be bound to hurt your feelings, and because if you thought that the election should be decided by whether your feelings got hurt on a message board you were never a reliable anti Trump voter to begin with.
If you change your mind about something as important as who you’re going to vote for, based on hurt feelings, it sounds exactly like a Trump voter.
Using your power (to vote) to punish someone, even/especially if it means voting for someone you otherwise wouldn’t vote for, is exactly something Trump would do.
The Klan is not morally better than the Nazis. But we’re talking about World War II. The Nazis had political power and were able to carry out their evil in a way that Klan could not. So the Nazis were worse than the Klan during World War II.
Removing the Nazis from political power and eliminating their ability to act on their plans was the primary goal during World War II.
And my position is that removing Trump and the Republicans from political power and eliminating their ability to act on their plans is the primary goal now.
This is what overly dramatic teens do. This is ‘if you break up with me, I’ll kill myself and it’ll be your fault’.
Your vote isn’t, or shouldn’t be, dependent on whether or not someone apologizes to you. Your vote is your decision and your decision only. Basing your vote on whether or not someone apologizes to you is either you looking for an excuse to vote the way you were going to anyway, or just being manipulative.
Seriously? You evaded my comment completely and went on yet another strawman hunting expedition. Yes, I do think you are both a misogynist and pretty meh about the crap trump and the US government are and have been doing in other countries. My “personal feelings” have nothing to do with how I’ve navigated my opinion on Israel or any other issue. I’ve looked at the facts and made my decisions based on said facts. I have strong “feelings” about the atrocities that the US has been party to, but that came after the decision. My feelings aren’t hurt by your constant mansplaining to all of us.
I’m starting to lean toward troll as you refuse to answer direct questions and make up shit about what others are saying so you can preen and pat yourself on the back for how right and “logical” You are. I’d be really angry, but your show just isn’t enough to make me angry. Plus you’d probably think I was being “hysterical” “emothional” and wonder if it was from hormones. I just get disgusted and dispirited by people like you.
First, you haven’t gotten much actual “abuse”, mostly you’ve gotten disagreement. And i can’t very well apologize for someone else calling you names.
Second, i don’t generally endorse calling anyone names. But i observe that you started it in this thread by calling a lot of Trump opponents “hysterical”. If you believe that it’s a good first step to apologize to people you’ve insulted, i suggest you consider going first.
Nowhere in that scenario is the other person identified as a trans-hating-asshole. You added that. There was no reason to presume the other person holds any reprehensible views. What made you presume otherwise?
For the record, it does. Not just your use of the word, but the way you are digging in with it. And I suspect this offends you, because I doubt very much that you are intentionally misogynistic.
But you have grown up in a deeply misogynistic society. One where rich famous people have been trafficking young women for decades with barely any pushback. I’ve always known this society hated women, but the depth of it that has come out with the Epstein files is showing me that I still underestimated it.
I’ve been there, too, because I have grown up in the same society. Even as a women, I have had to reflect on a lot of things I’ve done or said over the years that perpetuated harm towards women.
Once again, you started this thread. People aren’t just picking on you. You chose to use inflammatory language in your quest to get people to use less inflammatory language, and you doubled down on it, showing how much of a mug’s game it was in the first place.
…why would I be randomly yelling at someone "for voting for my candidate for what I think is the “wrong reason”???
That isn’t a thing that happens. It’s a strawman argument. I doubt you could find a single example here in the pit of that happening. I doubt you will find any examples out in the real world. Not enough to be significant.
What actually happens is people get yelled at because they hold reprehensible views. Who they say they plan to vote for is entirely incidental. I don’t care if the trans-hating-asshole says they plan on voting for or against Trump. They are still a trans-hating-asshole.
I don’t entertain ridiculous scenarios. But that is what Little_Nemo and now you are asking us to do.
Because I’m yelling at them. If it ever gets to the point where I’m yelling at someone its because they hold reprehensible views: they are either racist, or sexist, or a trans-hating-asshole.
…I don’t think of you as an isolationist. Not in the slightest.
If you were an isolationist, the idea that the President of the United States of America is now basically in charge of the future of Palestinians in Gaza would make you livid. And the idea that the President’s son in law, an unelected nobody, is the person who is actually making all of the decisions on the future of Gaza would make you want to riot.
If you were an isolationist, the fact that America keeps giving Israel billions of dollars would be your number one issue. You wouldn’t stand for it.
No you aren’t an isolationist. What you are saying here is something far, far worse.
What it says is that you know all of the things I’ve listed.
You just don’t care.
The world has a history of dehumanising groups of people, whether it is by race or religion or belief or even the colour of their skin. I used to wonder how people could just sit by and allow the Holocaust to happen. But now I’m seeing it with my own eyes. You see Palestinians as somewhat less than human. So you are able to turn a blind eye to the genocide that is being funded by your tax-payer dollars.
No, I’m saying that anybody making the sort of statement you’re making is just jerking me around and almost certainly isn’t going to vote against Trump whatever I do. Why should I try to appease them instead of trying to encourage people immediately endangered to show up and vote — especially when apologizing to the obvious bigot (which is what’s generally being discussed in this thread) is likely instead to indicate to all the immediately endangered people that the Democrats can’t be trusted either?
And I’m saying that here and now with the bigots in question right here in the country with us and trying to take it over trying to ally with them is not a way to prevent that exact takeover.
No, we are not talking about WWII. It rhymes, but it doesn’t echo. That aspect of WWII is entirely irrelevant to the current situation.
The trans-hating asshole came into the discussion here:
— an opinion on which I’ve already stated my own opinion in this thread.
You evaded my comment completely and went on yet another strawman hunting expedition. Yes, I do think you are both a misogynist and pretty meh about the crap trump and the US government are and have been doing in other countries. My “personal feelings” have nothing to do with how I’ve navigated my opinion on Israel or any other issue. I’ve looked at the facts and made my decisions based on said facts. I have strong “feelings” about the atrocities that the US has been party to, but that came after the decision. My feelings aren’t hurt by your constant mansplaining to all of us.