I’ve been discussing a plan that targets Republican politicians. There was no mention in the plan I’ve discussed about targeting Republican financial backers.
You were the one who raised the issue of financial backers. So I asked you what your views on that topic are.
Yes, I’m aware. And you think your plan will be more enticing to Republican politicians than the billions that pour into them?
My view is that, as long as there are financial backers, these other plans won’t work.
People only support Republicans because the perceived benefit outweighs the perceived cost.
Our strategies should be:
My plan is to remove Republican politicians from office. And put some of them in prison.
So, no, I do not think Republican politicians will find it enticing.
Okay, so what’s your plan to eliminate the financial backers?
Also how about we start supporting the more progressive end of the party. I have no numbers handy, but I’ve heard that most voters support progressive policies. Yet the party constantly tries to “moderat” I.e. drift further right which voters don’t support. When will we learn that being republican lite doesn’t work? The last campaign muzzled Walz and stayed mum on the Palestinian genocide, and unwavering support for israel. Then we come to policy right here within the US. Regressive tax policy, taking money from pacs, ignoring the good of constituents and country with mealy mouth platitudes. If you keep doing things the same way and it never works perhaps you need to change your ways. Perhaps we need to pull that Overton window to the left for a change. We might actually get it farther away from fascism, so we don’t have to do this shit all over again in another 4-8 years. Just sayin’.
Where did I say I had a plan? One doesn’t need to have their own plan to recognize when another plan isn’t workable.
That was the plan 15 months ago, which also included not letting Trump get back into the White House. How well did it work?
The devil is in the details. Or in other words it’s easy to conjure polls where some progressive policy or other gets majority support. But it does come down to the presentation of the question in terms of phrasing and alternatives.
So I’m fairly certain some majority of Americans actually do favor abortion rights. I am not so certain a majority of Americans favor humane housing for the homeless if it means erecting a shelter near them. Or of immigrant rights if it means a group of rough-looking Spanish-speaking men are hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot they’re shopping in. Ms Generally-Democrat-Voting-Suburban-Soccer-Mom might find that a little upsetting.
Or to put it more it more plainly, I really don’t think most Americans do support progressive policies when it gets down to brass tax. I think I’m more or less progressive. I think even a majority of Democrats aren’t overall - they’re center-left and diverse in opinion as hell. Doesn’t mean I’m not in favor of trying to shift the Overton window a few notches leftwards, but it does mean I’m very cynical about it succeeding.
As a rule of thumb Republicans fall in line, Democrats do not.
“Tacks,” he detailed, devilishly…
What are you looking for? An excuse to quit? You’re not getting it from me.
Trump and the Republicans knocked us down? We get up and we work harder.
The thing is, it does work. Moderates like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden get elected. Progressives don’t. The support for progressivism you think is there doesn’t show up on Election Day.
So the choice is not between Moderates or Progressives. The choice is between Fascists and Moderates.
Do you want to live in a country where ICE agents are shooting people in the streets or a country where ICE agents aren’t shooting people in the streets? Do you want to live in a country where Hispanics are being rounded up and sent to third world countries or a country where Hispanics are not being rounded up? Do you want to live in a country where the military is shooting people in the water or do you want to live in a country where the military doesn’t commit murder? Do you want to live in a country where the President is above the law or do you want to live in a country where the President has to obey the law? And do you want to live in a country where one party controls the elections or do you want to live in a country which allows genuine elections?
Those are your real choices. And I think they’re important choices. You might want to live in a country which matches your progressive ideals. I might want to live in that country. But that choice isn’t on the menu right now. But we still need to participate and make the best possible choice now. Because the choice right now is do we stay where we are or do we let things get a lot worse.
Progressives also get elected when they make it through the primaries. Did Hillary or Harris lose because Democrats didn’t go moderate enough? Fact of the matter is they’ve never tried a progressive candidate at the presidential level because there’s this perception that progressive candidatea lack electability. It’s a cowardly position that causes unenthusiastic moderate candidates to get begrudging support. The whole thing is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Maybe you should work on convincing the only person in the thread that totally agrees with you first,
It’s certainly “tacks” in the saying; but I think in a lot of cases it’s taxes that are the problem.
How do you think primaries work? Their results are based on people voting. In this case, registered Democrats.
If Bernie Sanders got outvoted by Hillary Clinton among registered Democrats, it’d pure fantasy to imagine he would have been more votes than Donald Trump when you throw in the Republican vote in the general election.
Yes, this is the same tired argument. I thought I addressed this in my post but maybe I’ll address it another way – how many Democratic primaries have been run with ranked choice voting? And we can exclude 2024 since the incumbent was a democrat.
None?
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, like I said. Democrats don’t vote for the more electable candidate because they’re confused about who’s actually electable, thus proving that they’re right.
Tell it to Mayor Cuomo.
…I tend to speak plainly. Quite bluntly. I have enough distance from what you are living through daily that I can sound quite detached. Its not something I can stop doing. That’s just the way I am wired. But I am very, very sorry for what you are going through. Even if I don’t always show that in the way that I write. Thank you for your apology.
He waka eke noa.
Kia kaha. Kia māia, kia manawanui.