I Pit the Hatred of Hillary

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I figure as much. Sigh.

Here’s a prediction. Hillary will be elected. The gun show loophole might be closed and felons might not have access to weapons. It’s possible (though unfortunate in my view) that an assault weapons ban will be passed. Maybe limits on the number of bullets in cartridges. More likely though, I’d say nothing happens at the Federal level. But I can’t rule out the former.

Airman Doors will be able to keep his guns though. There will be no confiscation or anything like it. Airman Doors should know better. But frankly it’s hard, as the NRA isn’t pro-consumer. It’s always been this way: back in 1967 they were extolling the virtues of the M-16, at a time when weapon jams were killing American soldiers. This will not give Airman Doors pause. American Rifle: A Biography of the AR-15 - TPM – Talking Points Memo

This is all unfortunate, because I’d like Trump to get under 35% of the popular vote. That would send a real message to politicians seeking to divide American along racial lines or give supportive AMA’s to white supremacist parts of Reddit. Then again, voting for Gary Johnson helps that process somewhat and Airman Door’s sanely says he won’t vote for Trump.

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Still plenty of time for reasonable people to change their minds. Time enough for calm arguments, gentle and respectful persuasion to have effect.

I’ll leave that last part for others, not having any real gift for that…

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Clinton haslong supported censorship which are opposed to how I and the much of the country view free speech.

And of course she’s opposed to the current state of gun laws and would like to repeal the PLCAA.

Bot of these are substantive reasons.

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Censoring the internet = herding Schrodinger’s cats.

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I swore to God and Sonny Jesus that I’d pound my balls flat rather than vote for ClintonV2.0. They both laughed at me, then God himself reached down, flicked my ear, and said “Challange Accepted”. So here’s me, stuck between some bimbo, who, when she had never held any government position, in an effort to puff up her resume, ran for the Senate, not from her home state, but from some other state she’d never lived in (we call them ‘carpetbaggers’), and some other dickweed who is the only guy the GOP could run who would be worse for the nation if he won.

This is my 12th election, and 10 times I’ve voted against some guy, and only voted for someone twice.

I dunno what I’m gonna do.

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Clinton is most certainly no bimbo.

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True. Hillary is sort of an anti-bimbo. Given her chameleon nature I’ve seen it suggested on Facebook that she adopt an Arabic sounding name in hopes of securing more of the country’s Muslim votes. The name suggested? Seldom Bin Laid. :stuck_out_tongue:

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No, they aren’t. Those are both Congressional issues.

Also, reason.com is a rather right-wing site that does not live up to its name. That article completely ignores what freedom of speech is. It has never applied to the speech being used to carry out crimes or terrorist activities. Go ahead. Make a Twitter post about how you’re gonna try to kill the president. See what happens.

This is what frustrates me about the Right more than anything. This misappropriation of freedom of speech, to the point of even contradicting their previously stated opinions. It’s the Right that continued to support the Patriot Act. It’s the Right that keeps saying there should have to be back doors on encryption. It’s the Right that supports suspending constitutional principles to go after terrorists.

I assure you, the number of Americans who think freedom of speech means the right for terrorists and criminals to plot their acts is extremely small. And the supposedly rational people who read Reason.com should have been able to see through the bullshit rather quickly.

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My biggest problems with the Hillary Haters are they bring up the same BORING complaints, over and over and over and over again:

BENGHAZI
Widely proven to not be her fault.

EMAILS
FBI, lead by a Republican FBI Director, saw no reason to bring charges. George W. Bush did the same thing, BTW.

Then when that fails, they bring up the other tired old arguments:

"SHE DEFENDED AND FREED A RAPIST, AND LAUGHED ABOUT IT" (this one has gained legs over the last few days since Benghazi and the Email scandal have been generally disproven)
New whine now that the public has grown bored with Libya and the emails. From a court case in 1975, when Hillary had to take time from defending crippled children not being allowed to go to school. She was ordered to defend the creep by a court, and did what she was legally required to do. She never laughed about what happened to the girl but the absurdity of defending a criminal she didn’t want to but was forced to.

WHITEWATER
Shaky attempts to connect the Clintons to a failed real estate deal, at best.

CLINTON FOUNDATION
Charity Navigator placed it on a “watch list” then quickly took it off when the Foundation released more documentation to its satisfaction. American Institute of Philanthropy estimates 89% of all donations go to charity, giving it an “A” rating. In other words, the CF has raised $2 billion in contributions, almost all of it going to good causes. Shameful!
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BILL FUCKED AROUND ON HILLARY**
How is this Hillary’s fault? Thats on Bill, not her. How a wife reacts to husbands infidelity is her choice and her business.

HILLARY IS A LESBIAN
A lesbian married for over 40 years. Poor woman. And if she is, so what?

I’m sure theres more Hillary haters can dig up, Ill be happy to rip them to shreds as well. Im not going to dignify the Mao suits, pant suits, and cankles comments. Yeah, she’s a 69 year old woman. Get over it. What do you want, a President or a bimbo super-model?

Now, is Hillary likable? I don’t know, have you ever met her? Does she sometimes shriek? Sure. Does she have an “evil” laugh? I guess I can see how it gets on peoples nerves.

I don’t GIVE A FUCK. I don’t want a President who is nice on TV. I want one who is experienced (she is), has empathy (she does), and will be Presidential (something Dumb Donald will never be).

The bottom line if you are a Hillary Hater it is probably because you are 1)uninformed 2)informed but a stupid 3)cant stand her because she was the first First Lady who had her own career, and probably make your wife or SO wear a burka because you aren’t a real man 4)a woman who accepts their role of baking cookies and dragging her kids to shopping malls as a “real” job

I mean seriously, what on Gods Green Earth would make any rational, intelligent human being think Donald Trump is a better choice than Hillary Clinton?

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To make sure that never happens again they vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein. Either one would be a President ideologically opposed to repeating that clusterfuck, both directly (the unprovoked use of violence) and indirectly (the immense military expenditure required).

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You don’t have to vote for ideological extremists to avoid clusterfucks. Sensible people were urging a vote for Al Gore in 2000. Would Al Gore have appointed PNAC ideologues like Cheney and Wolfowitz to top government positions and then invaded Iraq for no good reason?

Hillary is today’s Al Gore, and the future is in the balance.

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:smack: How many electoral votes does it take to get the Presidency? How many do you expect Johnson or Stein to get? :confused: Let’s just hope the cretins you refer to don’t live in a swing state.

Sure, idealistic stupidity stinks less than irrational hatred, but how did that work out for all y’all when you voted Nader in 2000 Florida?

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Hillary invaded Iraq for no good reason. Hillary voted for the Patriot Act. She isn’t fucking Al Gore.

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Hillary didn’t invade jack. Yeah, she voted for the Authorization, and that’s a problem, but don’t pretend like Iraq was all her idea or that she was the guiding hand behind the Patriot Act.

Without Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield, Iraq never happens - regardless of whether Gore or Clinton was president.

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Wrong on two counts.

(1) Hillary voted for the Resolution to encourage U.N. action that could prevent the war. (With just a few more carrots and sticks Saddam was on the verge of accepting exile. Replacing Saddam with a less heinous Baathist dictator mightn’t have been the best possible outcome, but would be the best outcome possible.) This was clearly implied in the speech excerpted above. I guess when you already know whom to hate, you avoid reading her actual words — they can only confuse you.

(2) It’s misleading to say the Iraq war was “for no good reason.” I strongly opposed the Iraqi misadventure, but understood that it had logical purposes. Saddam would be a thorn in Iraq and the region until he was deposed; his containment was a significant on-going expense, and source of corruption. The war was wrong not because it was intrinsically immoral or pointless, but because it was stupid, especially given Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rove incompetence and malice — the risks simply far outweighed possible “rewards.”

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If that was true, she wouldn’t have voted against the Levin Amendment, which was written for the explicit purpose of allowing U.N. action to prevent the war.

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Trump may have voted for Iraq or he may not. We’ll never know. Hillary definitely did.

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Ah, conservative jokes, the prime rib of humor. So rare, and always a little bit disappointing.

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And just how do you do this without some sort of conflict?

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Grumman is, not surprisingly, wrong here. You are correct that the Levin amendment was not about preventing war in all cases. Rather, it put a few more obstacles in the path to war, and did not give Bush the blank check that the actual Iraq War AUMF did. Senate Democrats split pretty much 50/50 on the amendment (it was 26-24, against). Chaffee, of RI, was the only Republican to vote for it.

Clinton’s Senate floor speech can be interpreted two ways. Take it at face value, and she was not voting for war. Or, was she setting up plausible deniability that allowed her to have it both ways?

A stronger case could be made for her not voting for the war had she:

  1. Voted in favor of the Levin amendment.

  2. Expressed some degree of protest as things developed in early 2003 when it was crystal clear that Bush was more interested in invading Iraq than in pursuing inspections. (Many of us watched Colin Powell as he gave his pathetic speech in from the UN, shaking our heads at the flimsy evidence the he presented.) We are left to believe that she remained speechless while, to her horror, Bush led the country into a war that she did not support.

  3. Not repeated intervention in Libya. She was a key adviser who dragged a reluctant Obama into that conflict.

In the end, I think it’s best viewed as a matter of judgement. She supposedly trusted Bush to pursue diplomacy to its end, which was bad judgement. Those who voted against the AUMF had better judgement. It puts Clinton in the more hawkish wing of the Democrat party. For me, that’s not a good thing.

That being said, we’re talking about one issue among many. And an issue that, when compared to the alternative, still puts Clinton as the more dovish of the viable choices. I would prefer to support a candidate who voted against the Iraq AUMF, but we don’t have that choice. We have the choice between Clinton and Trump. Sure, you can vote for a 3rd party candidate, but that’s a protest vote, not a vote for one of the 2 people who is going to sit in the WH in January next year.

I understand the allure of a protest vote, a vote for purity. I might actually go 3rd party myself, but only because I live in CA, a state that is a lock for Clinton. If I lived in a swing state, I would not hesitate to vote for Hillary, despite having some reservations about her. I’m confident that she will be, at worst, a competent president. Who knows what the hell kind of president Trump will be, and I sure don’t want to find out!