Hamas is the government of Gaza. They were freely and fairly elected. Then Hamas lynched the opposition and canceled all future elections.
And, critically, Netanyahu and his allies functionally endorsed Hamas as the leaders of Gaza and allowed resources to flow towards them. They (semi-openly) felt that with Hamas as their “negotiating partner” the chances of a two-state solution were nil.
My English may well be inferior (it’s my 2nd language), but what’s the difference between “both the (Israeli government and Jewish communities)” or “both (the Israeli government and Jewish communities)”?
I’m confused. Are you making some subtle point by calling October 7 a missile attack?
It’s the difference between “some Jewish communities” and “all Jewish communities”.
The Hamas attack was a terrorist attack, of course. But the IDF’s actions since then are war crimes. They are attacking civilians.
Ah, thanks.
My meaning was “those jewish communities which are publically prominent in my part of the world”
Right here, in this thread, you’re seeing Jews criticize and repudiate Netanyahu. If you’re ignoring them here, I wonder whether you’re ignoring them in your part of the world. IME many of the loudest and most prominent voices criticizing Likud’s actions in this war are Jewish, and when non-Jews ignore those voices in order to criticize “Jewish communities,” I’m gonna side-eye them something crazy.
If I am, it’s so subtle I’m not aware of it.
I’m saying missile attack. I’ve seen other sources call it a rocket attack. If there’s a difference between missiles and rockets, I’m unaware of it and I wasn’t trying to sway the argument by using the word missiles instead of rockets.
I am aware that the missile/rocket attack on October 7 was followed by an attack of Hamas ground troops. But I’ve mentioned the missile/rocket attack because that was the first act of the current war.
Was the Hamas attack, which primarily targeted civilians, also a war crime?
My posts are based on what I hear from my local Jewish communities. And those who participate in public discourse are pretty well aligned with what I hear from Bibi and his mates: If you’re critical towards the IDF, you’re anti-semitic. Which I, personally, find rather provoking considering that I’ve never had any opinion towards jews (except that I’m strongly against male genital mutilation), but have rather strong opinions towards IDF’s actions in Gaza and Bibi’s policy. Which - IMNSHO - is a purely political/ethical POW.
It was a terrorist attack, something which every sensible person would agree with
Gotcha. My understanding–and I could be wrong here–is that the missiles were responsible for a tiny minority of the deaths during that attack, that the vast majority of the war crime deaths that day were from the ground troops. Those are the ones I was focused on, and was confused why you’d emphasize the rockets; but if you’re just focused on what came first, I guess that makes sense.
To this non-Jew who loathes Netanyahu and considers the recent actions of the Israeli military to be a series of atrocities and war crimes, you’re giving strong antisemitic vibes.
So what do you feel Israel should have done? Accept Hamas terrorist attacks as long as Hamas bases itself inside a civilian population?
For what it’s worth, I agree that the Israeli government and military appears to be too casual about civilian deaths in Gaza and they should be taking greater precautions against inflicting unnecessary civilian deaths. But that said, some civilian deaths are an unavoidable part of a war being fought in a populated area and it was Hamas, not Israel, that is responsible for this war being fought.
Thanks a bunch. In my 60+ year life, i can’t say I’ve ever felt any hatred against any ethnic group and only judge people for their actions. But according to you, I’m anti-semitic since I loathe what Bibi and the IDF are doing in Gaza. You learn something every day.
I have no idea, but at least not indiscriminately killing civilians (including children) and not denying basic aid to civilians. Killing children and denying basic aid to civilians is war crimes. As is targeting reporters, which the IDF are guilty of on several occasions
About 33 palestinians killed per Israeli killed. 80% of those palestinians were civilian. 70% were women and children. This is not a proportionate war, it’s a genocide. Performed by the IDF and Bibi et al.
What’s a proportionate war?
Well, it isn’t “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius”